Talk:Small-toothed sportive lemur

Is there any way I can get more information on this?

Does anyone know anyone know a website where I can get more information on this? I would love to study these Small-toothed Sportive Lemur. Oh, and by the way, is it Small-toothed or just Small Toothed? Thank you again, Wikipedia!

Io 22:03, 6 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chronology of Life (talk • contribs)

Since there is demand for the material, and since not much is known about this species, I will work on this article tonight... and possibly tomorrow, depending on how much I can get done. – VisionHolder « talk » 22:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Alright... here you go. There are only 2 articles I still need to get my hands on, but for now this should cover all the literature on the species. – VisionHolder « talk » 10:00, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Question

The conservation status section implies that some of the newly described Lepilemur species of the last few years were split off from this one, but the taxonomy section doesn't mention that. LoM p. 258 says sportive lemurs in the range of L. fleuretae were formerly thought to be L. microdon, but I guess the same may be true for other southeastern species (betsileo, jamesorum, wrightae). Ucucha 22:06, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking about that around 4am last night. I'll try to look into it tonight. And thanks for the copyedit. I was hoping to proofread it at work, but never got around to it. – VisionHolder « talk » 22:37, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I've added the information. I found it in the appendices of the Louis 2006 paper. I also just got my hands on the Porter paper, thanks to Dr. Porter. That only leaves one paper that I don't have access to. Despite how little is known about this species, do you think once it's polished at GAN it might merit a FAC run, or should I wait for more studies to be published? This is probably the least studied (extant) species I've ever written about. Most of the other new species are more obvious, and I'm almost wondering if I could write 2 or 3 of their articles in one night... Needless to say, GAN-only there. – VisionHolder « talk » 03:41, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I think you should wait with FAC until you have all the sources. However, the article is longer than several of my FAs, so I don't think there should be a problem with sending it to FAC. Ucucha 14:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm only missing one source, which I may ask you to pick up the next time you're at the library sometime after you've settled back in from your trip. But we'll see—I'm still asking around and hoping one of the authors will reply. – VisionHolder « talk » 16:22, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Conservation status

This lemur was considered to have a widespread distribution, but it now has a more restricted range. This forumulation makes me a bit confused. It compares former incorrect (?) views on distribution range with current actual range and draws the conclusion that the actual range changed. I think it intends to say that the range has probably been rather restricted for quite some time (decades?) but that we didn't know this until recently, with more detailed taxonomic knowledge. --Ettrig (talk) 16:29, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

You are correct. Feel free to be bold and word it in a way that you feel makes more sense. Otherwise, I'll try to take a closer look later tonight. – VisionHolder « talk » 18:04, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

I reworded the sentence. Ucucha 18:05, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Ucucha! – VisionHolder « talk » 19:29, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Small-toothed sportive lemur/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dana boomer (talk) 17:44, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have the full review up shortly. Dana boomer (talk) 17:44, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   • Lead, "concealed tangles of vines and leaves." Are the tangles concealed, or does the lemur conceal itself in them?

   • I have attempted to clarify. – VisionHolder « talk » 23:59, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

   • Conservation, "It is hunted with spears and is also captured when trees with sleeping holes are cut down." Is it then eaten, or is it killed for other reasons (pest? crop destruction?)?

   • There is only one source that mentions this, and it does not explicitly answer those questions. From my own personal understanding of Madagascar, it would most likely be killed for bushmeat and possibly as a pest. Without a source, though, I cannot clarify. – VisionHolder « talk » 23:59, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

   • Conservation, "No small-toothed sportive lemurs were maintained in captivity as of 2009." How is this known? Is this just in public zoos? What about private collections?

   • The source cites the International Species Information System (ISIS), which keeps an inventory from participating zoos. However, it doesn't explicitly state this. It only says, "As of 2009, this species was not being kept in captivity (ISIS, 2009)." I just happen to know because I'm very familiar with ISIS. If I clarified, it might quality as WP:OR. Your thoughts? – VisionHolder « talk » 23:59, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

   • I agree that without new sources it would be OR. Do you have a source that states the ISIS keeps inventory from participating zoos? If so, you could say something like "According to ISIS, which keeps inventory from participating zoos [cite], no animals were maintains in captivity as of 2009[current cite]." Or, if the ISIS database is available to the public - even through subscription or through certain association memberships - you could directly cite that too. Just thoughts. If the information isn't out there, it's not out there. Dana boomer (talk) 00:54, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

A very nice article! Although I had a few queries (see above), they are nothing that stands in the way of GA status. Because of this, I am passing the article to GA status. Please let me know if you have any questions. Dana boomer (talk) 18:24, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the review! I have made a fix and left replies to your comments above. If you have further comments or suggestions, they are always welcome. Best, – VisionHolder « talk » 23:59, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

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