Talk:Sigmund Romberg

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The classification of Sigmund Romberg as a Jewish composer is mistakable. He didn't writeKlezmer music. His parents had been German-speaking assimilated Jews in the Austro-Hungarian provincial town Großkirchen/Nagykanizsa, indeed. But he left his home town without regret for the lively Vienna as a teenager. The operettas of Franz Léhar, Robert Stolz and Emmerich Kálmán were his real homeland there. And he lived for 42 years in the USA afterwards. He was a typical American citizen of the early 20th century: an immigrant and selfmade man. All artistic positions for young composers had been occupied by established musicians in Europe in 1909. It's safe to say that Romberg was glad to be in New York and that he was proud to be an American citizen. Sigmund Romberg was an American composer in the first place. His music was an exciting mixture of Vienna waltz and Tin Pan Alley hits. Unique! His operettas had almost consistently European plots but he minced the whole European music tradition through the American meat grinder thoroughly. The result was remarkable. Very American. --Bogart99 17:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


It is an error to call The Whirl of the World an "operetta." Romberg started on Broadway as a composer of musical comedies, not operettas, and The Whirl of the World was a musical comedy with a revueish feel--lots of specialty bits and very little plot. This should be changed. Fred Lane 01:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, The Whirl of the World, debut performance at Winter Garden Theatre on January 10, 1914, was no operetta but a a Broadway revue. --Bogart99 16:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article on Sigmund Romberg states that he was married to lyricist Dorothy Donnelly. The entry on Dorothy Donnelly reads: Donnelly was born in New York City where she died. She never married,[3] but did collaborate with composer Sigmund Romberg on a number of musicals, including, most famously, The Student Prince.

Which is correct? Robert Dalvean (talk) 13:20, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Romberg and Brahms[edit]

Did Romberg make a special study of Johannes Brahms's music? I only ask because I was at a concert this week, where Brahms's 2nd Symphony was played, and it occurred to me for the first time that the theme of "Serenade" from The Student Prince is a direct (possibly unconscious) steal from a motive leading into the theme of the first movement. Any thoughts? -- JackofOz (talk) 21:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Croatian[edit]

User:Eversman has now twice categorised Romberg as Croatian (diff1, diff1) with an edit summary: "When he left for US, he had Austro-Hungarian-Croatian citizenship …". There is no evidence in the article that Romberg as teenager or indeed his parents had such citizenship, if such a citizenship existed at all. The article on the Croatian–Hungarian Settlement doesn't mention it, and it's hard to imagine that Adam and Clara Rosenberga and their son would acquire a new citizenship by moving from one part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire to another. I suggest to remove those categories. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:36, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, if a person had Austro-Hungarian citizenship, and has moved with his family to Croatian part of Austro-Hungary, then he-she is entitled to be categorized as a Croatian. After Austro-Hungary breakdown, his family stayed and lived in Croatia until they died. How could they do that without Croatian citizenship? Especially if his parents graves are in Croatia, where Romberg himself buried them, and are the part of Croatian cultural heritage. Also, he is recognized and honored in Croatia as prominent cultural personality which is of great importance to Croatian culture, for what he is recognized through various honors celebrated in his name. His parents house, where Romberg lived from his 1 year of life, in Belišće is also part of Croatian cultural heritage. All that I think is enough to categorized Romberg as a Croatian.--Eversman (talk) 21:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, after doing some research on my own, I can agree with the adding of Croatian categories. There are plenty of Wikipedia biographies of living persons, where categories are added even if the person in question has not been born or died in a categories added country. In my opinion, person doesn't have to be born, emigrate, or die in specific country so we could add categories of the other country. As for Romberg, there are plenty of sources by which he can be considered Croatian, in particular if we look at his family in full. With regards,--Bbrezic (talk) 11:50, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There is no evidence in the article that Sigmund Romberg had Croatian citizenship, was of Croatian ethnicity, or self-identified as Croatian. WP:CAT demands that "categorization of articles must be verifiable." These categories ought to be removed. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 15:08, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Even after the addition of a Croatian source, there is still no evidence in the article that Romberg was Croatian. What does Emil Čić actually say? Is he a reliable source on the matter? Is his perspective coloured by his own background? Whether Romberg is considered Croatian by Croatians doesn't really matter, the important thing is how reliable sources in the rest of the world see him. No other Wikipedia, not Elliott Arnold, not Grove, regard him as Croatian. He's sometimes called a Hungarian, which I find similarly unconvincing ("Rosenberg", really? Hungarian? Croatian?). Given that he moved to America when he was 22 or so, it's only by his musical heritage that he can be called an Austrian or Austro-Hungarian. I have to read Deep in My Heart to see what Elliott has to say about his life in the US and how Romberg saw himself there, but I know that Elliott mentions Osijek as the place where everybody only spoke Croatian, so in 1901 Romberg had to get away from its Realschule (middle school) to the Gymnasium in Pécs (Fünfkirchen or Pečuh), definitely not part of Croatia. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Several anonymous editors have recently re-added Croatian categories. No reliable source describes Romberg as such. He lived at a very young age for a short time in a location at the very edge of what is today Croatia and was then part of the Austro-Hungarian empire. Note that the Category:Croatian people has the following notice:
The alternative Category:Croat people has the notice:
Please observe these notices. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Anonymous editors have again restored the Croatian categories, citing Emil Čić's book. a) That citation is incomplete; it should state a page number and, as a foreign-language publication, provide a verbatim quote. b) Čić, a Croatian, is completely alone describing Romberg as Croatian; no other work does. These Croatian website mention Romberg as being remembered and celebrated in Belišće, which was in Hungary when Romberg lived there (William A. Everett, Geoffrey Holden Block. Sigmund Romberg. Yale University Press, 2007. ISBN 9780300111835), but they never refer to him as Croatian: Travel to Croatia for music of Sigmund Romberg, The Romberg Music Evenings; the second website says: "Romberg happens to have spent a part of his childhood in Belišće".
I'm going to remove those categories again. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:50, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is there no section listing the musical comedies and operettas he wrote?[edit]

Why is there no section listing the musical comedies and operettas he wrote? 2604:2000:F64D:FC00:7F:36C2:A3A5:2F5B (talk) 07:15, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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