Talk:Siege of Nicaea

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Hey I have information about the siege of Nicaea in 1333-7 when the Ottomans captured it from the Byzantines. How do I create an article with the same name? I know it needs disambiguation, so please help me!

Turkish inhabitants[edit]

In chapter "Byzantine arrival", it reads that "Turkish inhabitants" called Alexius for help.

First, I believe that at that time, 20 years after the Turkish incursion, Turks were a small minority in western Asia Minor.

Second, I doubt that Turks would have called for Alexius, because he had heavy interest in reconquering Asia Minor, formerly part of the Byzantine Empire.Hungerhahn 16:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hold it more likely that it was the Greek inhabitants who called for Alexius. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.135.73.202 (talk) 15:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Nicaea was Kilij Arslan's capital at the time (although being a nomadic Turk at heart, having a "capital" is a strange idea), so there were probably lots of Turks there, at least in the ruling class. They called on Alexius because Kilij Arslan gave up on them. They probably knew they could get a better deal from Alexius than from the crusaders - and as a result, the city was not sacked, and Kilij Arslan's family was able to escape to Constantinople. Adam Bishop 16:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nice twist. But I very much doubt that Alexius would have sacked a city with a Greek majority. Were any of Kilij Arslan's family members in Constantinople ancestors of John Axuchos? Hungerhahn 16:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well no, he wouldn't have, but the crusaders would have if the Byzantines hadn't intervened. I don't think John Axuch was related to them, as Axuch's background is unknown, aside from being a Turk. He was probably the son of a Turk taken captive in battle somewhere. Adam Bishop 17:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]