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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the first black female candidate for a major party's U.S. presidential nomination, Shirley Chisholm (campaign poster pictured), is largely credited for paving the way for future candidates Barack Obama and Kamala Harris?
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Citation[edit]

Why is this page protected? Here's a link for the External Links. It's for a PBS/P.O.V documentary on Shirley Chisholm's 1972 run for president. http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2005/chisholm/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.78.52 (talk • contribs) 07:11, March 8, 2007 (UTC)

Presidential bid[edit]

Why isn't there anything about her presidential bid? I don't know very much about her, and came to this page to find out more. I expected to see something about that. - Coralys 04:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate Votes[edit]

Anyone know if she received 152 or 162 delegate votes? The article says both. (Also, does anyone know how many delegate votes are possible? It might be nice to be able to say "152 (or 162) out of _____ available delegate votes."--TheOtherBob 21:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to second this. As a non-American, 162 delegate votes doesn't mean much to me. Of course, I could go and look up other articles to find out, but I think it would improve the article if it explained whether this was a near miss, or if she was a long way behind. TheAstonishingBadger (talk) 09:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like she won 28 delegates during the primary process, then Hubert Humphrey released his black delegates to her at the 1972 convention (he had 93 black delegates and 97 black alternates) as some kind of anti-McGovern maneuver and as a gesture towards black leaders. She ended up with 152 delegates. I haven't found how that added up and don't feel likely to spend more time chasing it down, but it would be good if someone interested could research this more carefully. The article previously repeated the version given in various later popular press pieces that seem to have gotten the story oversimplified or wrong. 75.62.6.99 (talk) 09:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know that in the 2008 election, 2000 or so delegates were up for grabs. 68.43.91.73 (talk) 15:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As daughter of a Caribbean immigrant[edit]

Was she the first Congress-person to be elected that was also the child of a Caribbean immigrant --or that was the child of an Anglophone Caribbean immigrant (as opposed to a Spanish-Caribbean immigrant)?Dogru144 01:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article refers to Chisholm as an African American. Her parents were West Indian immigrants. Not all American blacks are of African origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zilpha99 (talk • contribs) 00:20, July 12, 2007 (UTC)

Guess where black "West Indians" came from ? :) - Darwinek 09:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

more pictures[edit]

hi my name is [elided] and me personaly i think there should be tons of pictures [of the subject] on this page

− —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.73.49.240 (talk) 20:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Earlier candidates[edit]

I think this page might need to be corrected. Wikipedia states that there were several earlier female Democrat candidates for presidential nomination (starting in 1920 with Laura Clay and Cora Wilson Stewart, and in 1964 Fay T. Carpenter Swain): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates Zonkerette (talk) 11:10, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged "emasculating matriarch" headlines[edit]

The 1972 presidential campaign section includes this:

Many headlines constructed Chisholm as an emasculating matriarch with headlines such as the Boston Globe’s “Rep. Shirley Chisholm outflanks her black political brothers”.[1]
  1. ^ "Rep. Shirley Chisholm Outflanks Her Black Political Brothers". Boston Globe. November 30, 1971.

I think this should be removed. Nothing is cited to support the characterization that this headline portrays her as an "emasculating matriarch". The source just shows that the headline existed

Does anyone disagree? -- Pemilligan (talk) 05:24, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Pemilligan (talk) 04:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. That was added by a one-and-done editor a couple of years ago and the particular conclusion behind it is not supported by the Barbara Winslow biography or other accounts I've seen. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:03, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Shirley Chisholm/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

I strongly encourage anyone who wants to know more about Shirley Chisholm to do two things: 1) Read her 1970 autobiography, Unbought and Unbossed, which is excellent and very much bears the stamp of Ms. Chisholm's distinctive voice and 1) see the Shola Lynch documentary of the same title, which is well-made and in particular great for young people because of its visuals, strong content and great music. I grew up in New York City, now live in Oakland and was very imprinted by Ms. Chisholm's forceful, direct way of speaking and monumental courage. Bless her soul! -- Paula Parker, Oakland, CA209.129.161.251 23:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Shirley Chisholm
Shirley Chisholm (November 30, 1924 – January 1, 2005) was an American politician, educator, and author. In 1968 she became the first black woman elected to the United States Congress, and she represented New York's 12th Congressional District for seven terms from 1969 to 1983. In 1972 she became the first black candidate for a major party's nomination for President of the United States, and the first woman to run for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. In 2015 Chisholm was posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.Photograph: Thomas J. O'Halloran. Restoration: Adam Cuerden
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PLATFORM:[edit]

Why is literally nothing on this page about the material policies she supported in any of her campaigns? Like what did she proscribe for health care, foreign policy, economic regulation etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.5.121.79 (talk) 12:22, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you have sources that cover those topics, please add them to the article to improve it. Thanks! JesseRafe (talk) 14:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First black candidate?[edit]

I think there needs to be additional language to distinguish her from Frederick Douglass's candidacy at the 1888 Republican National Convention. Goustien (talk) 02:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Evaluation and Possible Additions[edit]

The article's content is relevant to the topic, but I would like to take a deeper dive into some specific aspects of Shirley Chisholm's life and make sure that the underdeveloped sections become more developed. I would also like to investigate her role in the fight for the vote for women and potentially add it to this page. Additionally, I would like to take a look and see if each claim is reliably backed up by a source and cited properly. KaiAbiola (talk) 05:51, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: A. C. Santacruz (talk · contribs) 20:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC) I'll start a review once I'm done with some work deadlines for tomorrow, should take me a few days once I start, but I'll make sure to keep you updated FormalDude. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 20:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @A. C. Santacruz! We are approaching the seven day average GA review timeline, just wondering if you're still planning on doing the review? Thank you. ––FormalDude talk 04:41, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies, FormalDude, I'll get right on it. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 09:44, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Comments[edit]

Minor grammar/spelling suggestions: In "Early life":

  • Ruby St. Hill was a skilled seamstress and domestic worker, and had trouble working and raising the children at the same time. The double "and" here reads weirdly. I'm not entirely sure right now what other wording would make sense (perhaps "[...] and had trouble working while raising the children [...]" could work).
    •  Fixed. Now reads: "Ruby St. Hill was a skilled seamstress and domestic worker who experienced the difficulty of balancing work with raising children at the same time." ––FormalDude talk 00:23, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "As a member of the Harriet Tumban Society, [...]" sentence has too many commas. It's readable, but could be improved by changing the wording at the start of the sentence (", she advocated for inclusion, " seems somewhat redundant, but there are other ways one could get rid of a few commas).
    •  Fixed: added parenthesis and removed one comma. ––FormalDude talk 00:23, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's an excessive amount of External Links. Find a Grave seems unnecessary, for example. Some links are dead, and I'll tag them in the article itself.
  • Some clarification of what responsibilities being a "Democratic National Committeewoman" entails would be nice.

Copyvio returns a very high (98.2%) similarity with this Harlem World Magazine article. I'm not entirely sure how to proceed so I'll ask for advice, but everything else about the article passes GACR.Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 16:56, 8 December 2021 (UTC) Website is backwards copy of wikipedia, passing GA accordingly. Congratulations, FormalDude! This was a really nice article to read and I'm so happy there is a +1 in the list of black women with GA articles about them. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 17:16, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review @A. C. Santacruz, much appreciated! ––FormalDude talk 21:25, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 07:34, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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A poster for Shirley Chisholm's 1972 presidential campaign
A poster for Shirley Chisholm's 1972 presidential campaign

Improved to Good Article status by FormalDude (talk). Self-nominated at 22:10, 8 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • New GA, looks good. Why not add a pic? I can't verify the first hook off the link "in my region", but it hardly seems a surprising statement. Can someone help? I don't much like the 2nd hook, & the source doesn't exactly back it up, using "may" and saying "The color purple has several possible meanings, including symbolizing bipartisanship and paying homage to the suffragette movement, according to Insider's Amanda Krause...". I'm now ok with sourcing for both hooks, but the facts must be in the article. Johnbod (talk) 23:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks, @Johnbod. I'm new to DYK, I didn't know they could have an image. I'll look into adding one. As for the sourcing of the two hooks, I added some additional verifying sources. ––FormalDude talk 00:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another issue is I can't see either hook fact in the article. Maybe think of something else? Johnbod (talk) 03:13, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Johnbod: It's from the first paragraph of Shirley Chisholm#Political. ––FormalDude talk 03:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • "when Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton staged their historic "firsts" battle – where the victor would either be the first major-party African-American nominee, or the first woman nominee – with at least one observer crediting Chisholm's 1972 campaign as having paved the way for both of them" isn't really the same as "Shirley Chisholm is largely credited for paving the way for future nominees Barack Obama and Kamala Harris", is it? Johnbod (talk) 04:04, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • How about "has been credited" instead then? ––FormalDude talk 08:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It should be changed to candidate, she was not the nominee. Trillfendi (talk) 19:25, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. ––FormalDude talk 08:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let me state the problem more clearly. Both hooks mention Harris, but the only text in the article mentioning her is "Kamala Harris recognized Chisholm's presidential campaign by using a similar typography and red-and-yellow color scheme in her own 2020 presidential campaign's promotional materials and logo.[101] Harris launched her presidential campaign 47 years to the day after Chisholm's presidential campaign.[102]" - which contains neither hook fact. Johnbod (talk) 11:09, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I see the issue now. It seems I misread Hilliary for Harris. I've proposed a new alternative hook. ––FormalDude talk 05:23, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Trillfendi and Johnbod: Any opinions on the ALT2 hook? ––FormalDude talk 23:07, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • For ALT2, the CBS source works for Harris, but for the first one on Lee: a) I can't get it to play, probably because of geography or it's just too old, & b) the pod source itself doesn't look WP:RS to me, unless it's an interview with Lee maybe. Maybe someone with access could check it. But I think the new CBS source is enough for the original hook, which previously lacked Harris I think. Lee is mentioned in the article, so that's ok. Johnbod (talk) 02:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Johnbod: The podcast source for Lee is an interview; it mentions Lee is a guest. The podcast description also states "We learn about how Congresswoman Lee’s political career was shaped by working with the Black Panthers and on Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm’s historical presidential campaign." ––FormalDude talk 07:37, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • with original hook. Probably link Harris, & a pic could be added. Johnbod (talk) 02:52, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: per offwiki request I have added a pic to this nomination; please feel free to rework the caption/parenthetical placement if needed. eviolite (talk) 04:03, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To T:DYK/P2

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