Talk:Shelling of Mainila

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The word "Bombardment" should be used for the title instead of shelling, which can refer to alot of different things. The Shelling of Yeonpyeong article was renamed for this reason.--$1LENCE D00600D (talk) 03:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Soviets specifically claimed Finnish forces used artillery to attack the village so shelling is appropriate. Ape89 (talk) 09:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Yatsenyuk and Ukraine

I think the revisionist nature of accounting whole Winter War to Stalin can lead even to opinions which mr. Yatsenyuk propagates, and these are more dangerous. I would propose to stay in this theme united and firm: not to allow differences to dissolve basic facts. 1) USSR and GB won II. world war over aggressor - puchist Hitler 2) Finland was aly of nazzi Germany with, and it was aggressive pact.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.168.184.7 (talk) 16:08, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

No changes needed.

Problems with your arguments include the facts that at the time due to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact Soviets and Nazis were next best thing to being allied and had just used that aggressive pact to invade and occupy Poland and then even held joint victory parades... And it was that pact between the Soviet Union and the Nazi Germany which directly led to the Winter War as well as to Soviet occupation of the Baltic states. USSR did launch an unprovoked war of an aggression against Finland using the Mainila shelling as an excuse so USSR was an aggressor in the Winter War no matter how you try to twist it. And UK together with France were just about to launch their attacks against the USSR due to the Winter War so those countries were certainly not allies of any sort at the time. As to the Finnish-German relations - Germany was at the time one of the few countries that prevented supply shipments from reaching Finland, interning the supplies - act that seriously hurt Finnish war efforts - so Finland and Germany were most definitely not in any way allied during the Winter War. Germans actually suggested that they could support & supply Soviet subs operating against Finnish civilian ships and possibly even lay naval mines to the Finnish waters. So unless it wasn't clear neither of your facts were true at the time of the incident in question. - Wanderer602 (talk) 17:20, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh come on

I realize that it's pretty much pointless to write something sensible here, but there exists absolutely no reason to think that there was any shelling at all, and of course no proof that there was any false flag operation. Such version is ideologically likeable, but is not based on any facts. Hellerick (talk) 09:47, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

You need to give a better sources for your claim than "Oh come on!". 194.157.77.194 (talk) 09:02, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Do you have Reliable Sources that dispute those used in the article, Hellerick?50.111.1.254 (talk) 19:46, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

There were multiple Finnish attacks against Soviet Union before Mainila shelling 1939 according Soviet sources.

On October 7, 1936, a Soviet border guard was killed by a shot from the Finnish side on the Karelian Isthmus.

On October 27, 1936, two shots from the Finnish side were fired at the chairman of the Vaida-Guba collective farm.

On December 12, 1936, a Soviet border guard was shot at from the Finnish side at the Mainila outpost.

On December 17, 1937, a Soviet border guard at the Ternavolok outpost was fired upon by two Finnish soldiers from Finnish territory.

On January 21, 1938, two Finnish border guards violated the Soviet border at the sixth outpost of the Sestroretsk district, and in an attempt to apprehend them by a Soviet outpost, they put up armed resistance, as a result of which one of the Finnish border guards was seriously wounded.

On October 15, 1939, in the section of the Sestroretsk border guard detachment near Beloostrov, Finland opened machine-gun fire on Soviet border guards when a car with a Finnish delegation returning from Moscow after negotiations was crossing the border. 2001:14BB:64F:DAA4:48F6:F626:2226:127D (talk) 08:37, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Now list your sources. Betelgeuse X (talk) 18:29, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

They're mentioned in Russian version of the article.

Документы внешней политики СССР, том XIX, 1974, с. 492.

Документы внешней политики СССР, том XIX, 1974, с. 775.

Документы внешней политики СССР, том XIX, 1974, с. 671.

Документы внешней политики СССР, том XXI, 1977, с. 28.

Документы внешней политики СССР, том XXI, 1977, с. 46.

Пограничные войска СССР. 1939—июнь 1941. Сборник документов и материалов.. — М.: Наука, 1970. — С. 48. 2001:14BB:665:9D74:85ED:988A:9492:D9A6 (talk) 19:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah yes, Soviet sources are undoubtedly reliable. The USSR denied the existence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the Katyn massacre, etc. But they undoubtedly tell the truth regarding Mainila... Betelgeuse X (talk) 14:29, 12 August 2023 (UTC)