Talk:Shafiq-ur-Rahman (humorist)

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Shafiq-ur-Rehman (humorist)[edit]

Could you please make clear your justification for moving Shafiq-ur-Rehman (humorist) to Shafiq-ur-Rahman (humorist). Just saying it's wrong is not a sufficient reason, WP:RS are required. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 15:20, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, SamuelTheGhost, as I am belonging to that part of the world, and I am also much familair to the Urdu, Arabic and Persian languages, and its grammar. "Rahman" is an Arabic word, it pronounces 'Rahman' but not 'Rehman'. Though mostly in India and Pakistan, it is commonly wrong pronouced, and translated into incorrect spelling. Academics do not make the mistake but having poor knowledge writers do that. When I come across that kind of translated wrong spelling, I make that correct, that's all, and for that there is no need of RS. Please take a look at these correct spelling articles of the same name: Ahfaz-ur-Rahman,Hamoodur Rahman, Tariq Rahman, Rahman Syed, Bushra Rahman, Rahman Baba. If you are native speaker of English, then I can imagine, and that makes me no surprise, but if you are from there, then I will suggest you please improve your knowledge of languages. I hope this helps. Cheers.Justice007 (talk) 16:17, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- No I'm afraid it does not help. Editors in wikipedia are self-selected and anonymous except where they choose to identiy themselves. I have not published my qualifications, my native language, or any other languages I know. If I did publish them, other editors would still have no way of knowing whether I had told the truth about them. The only evidence acceptable under wikipedia policy is WP:RS, not personal knowedge. These considerations apply equally to me and to you. WP:RS is the only evidence we can take any notice of.

Of course I am aware that the scholarly transliteration of Arabic: الرحمن is ar-Rahman or, more carefully, ar-Raḥman, but wikipedia policy for names is to use the transliteration found in the sources, whether or not they are "correct". In the case of Shafiq-ur-Rehman, English-language sources are using the form ur-Rehman, and apparently no other, so wikipedia policy is quite clear that that is the form we should be using. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 18:26, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree with you, please indicate, that where RS allow the incorrect spelling, there is also a rule WP:common sense, I do not know that we should use or not, before I go futher to discuss this issue with you, first you provide the reliable sources to support your concerns, while the article's subject has no any reliable sources to even pass the notability, I do not see and find any one there. If you are so strict and fair to the policies, you must nominate the article for deletion because it falls under the criteria for proposed deletion.Justice007 (talk) 19:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, on a quick search I found the following three, where the first at least must count as WP:RS

pakistan radio news network
books for sale
books for sale

There are plenty more using that spelling to sell his books. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 20:59, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You even didn't bother to read the common sense, it is waste of time to search the skin of the hair. I have used my best judgment to correct the wrong translated spelling of the name, as I said you it is very common blunder in India and Pakistan, even in the media. There are many articles that need to be corrected , as I have done, Ahmed to correct Ahmad, for both wrong and correct spelling, there are reliable sources, on this point, we have to use common sense and our best judgment. What you have provided the sources, only one is reliable, and that can be use for the notability of the subject to save from deletion, other two are blogs, that are not reliable sources, I have also searched, but there are not much reliable sources, it is a great pity, that that notable and great humorist has no reliable sources?. As you provided, here are from me too, with correct spelling this and that. Again the main purpose is to the correct and best judgment that I have done.Hope this helps. Justice007 (talk) 22:39, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note

I have moved the discussion from my talk page to relevant talk page of this article. Justice007 (talk) 22:46, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for at last supplying sources as I originally requested. It seems that our subject has been spelled as Shafiq-ur-Rehman or Shafiqurrahman or Shafeeq-ur-Rahman, so your choice of Shafiq-ur-Rahman, although not identical to any of the sources, is defensible. As far as I can tell none of his works has ever been translated into English. If they were, the spelling used by the translator would be the one to use here, but until then I'm content to let the matter drop. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 13:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikified[edit]

I have wikified and rewritten some parts of the article Shafiq-ur-Rahman (humorist)- Justice007 (talk) 17:08, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]