Talk:Selle Français

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Review: August 16, 2014. (Reviewed version).

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Did you know... that the Selle Français is a French sport horse, recognized internationally as a top breed for show jumping and three-day eventing?

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Links for the ambitious[edit]

1. WBFSH Interstallion survey [1] Good source of information on goals and procedures.

2. "The Opening of the Selle Francais Studbook" [2] article by Bernard Le Courtois.

3. NASFA website [3] please regard "About the Selle Francais" with caution.

4. French Sport Horse Breeders Society ANSF website [4] Good source.

5. National Stud's information card on the Selle Francais [5]

6. 2007 WBFSH Jumping rankings [6] #2 thanks to Ideo du Thot (Arioso du Theillet), Ionesco de Brekka (Dollar du Murier), Ilostra Dark (Palestro II/Ecolit), Itot du Chateau (Le Tot de Semilly), Ideal de la Loge (Dollar du Murier), First de Launay (Laudanum)

7. 2007 WBFSH Dressage rankings [7] #16 thanks to Diabolo St Maurice (Plein d'Espoir IV), Galant du Serein (Apache d'Adriers)

8. 2007 WBFSH Eventing rankings [8] #2 thanks to Galan de Sauvagere (Joly Jumper), Espoir de la Mare (What A Joy), Jolly Hope de Treille (Sioux de Baugy), If You Want II (Major de la Cour), Lord de Ligniere (Hand in Glove), Literal (Queribus).

Countercanter (talk) 00:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fast review[edit]

No problem it seems. I'm not the main author for the fr-version, article have been mainly writtn by Eponimm. --Tsaag Valren (talk) 12:36, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Selle Français/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Right, let's take a look....will jot notes below....cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It can range from 15.1 to 17.3 hands (61 to 71 inches,... - the "it" does not agree with the preceding it exactly - maybe reword the pronoun?

--Rephrased, better? --MTBW

~~Gray is found, but is much more rare,...~~ ~~- "found" ("Hey I found a Gray horse!!!") - sounds funny...actually why not trim to just, "Gray is much rarer," or "-much less common"~~

--Done --MTBW

In 1958, it was decided to merge all of the half-blood horses in France... - err, any idea on who was doing the deciding?

--Source is unclear, presumably the entity that governs stud books, but unclear in original source. I will ping @Tsaag Valren: and see if she can help. --MTBW

- - No sign of Tsaag, but I ran a translation again, and rewrote that bit. Better? --MTBW
    - Hmm, given this is GA not FA, I think I'll let it slide. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

~~This website...missing the 'ç' ...just a typo or some weird spelling variant?~~

Weird spelling variant. --MTBW

Otherwise looking good. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dana appears to be busy, but I will see if I can address your concerns here. But may be a day or two, big weekend in USA. Montanabw ^(talk) 16:34, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Dana boomer:@Casliber:@Montanabw:I'm just stopping by to check the status of this review. It has been three weeks since it was last touched. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 16:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

- I think I fixed everything raised here, but was there additional work needed? Dana appears to be swamped IRL, so I'll take over and do any fixes required. Montanabw ^(talk) 17:06, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take another look soon. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:42, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I think enough has been done on this article to consider it at a GA waypoint and fulfulling of criteria. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Cas, Did we ping @Dana boomer: on this? She's been pretty inactive this summer, but I hope she will be glad it's got the green! Montanabw ^(talk) 04:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Horse racing[edit]

No mention of the success of SF horses in horse racing??? Definitely an area that needs coverage Tigerboy1966 16:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Last paragraph of "Uses" section has a sentence or two. Thoughts? Montanabw^(talk) 00:17, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out: I'd overlooked that ection. Tigerboy1966 11:39, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It won't surprise you to learn that racing people are quite sloppy with terminology. In the 90's the term SF was sometimes used for any French non-Tb. What we can say is that many successful NH horses have SF ancestry. Here's an article from the Racing Post looking at the pedigree of First Gold.[9]

Tigerboy, if you have more good sources we could add to the "uses" section on this, it would be cool. Do we link to National Hunt racing (Just UK) or to Steeplechasing (Worldwide)? Montanabw^(talk) 22:09, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think Steeplechasing would be more recognised interntionally as a term for races in which horses have to jump obstacles, but might cause some confusion as in Britain and Ireland it denotes a specific type of National Hunt racing. Tigerboy1966 19:20, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Tigerboy, my apologies for taking so long to respond. Do you have any good sources that discuss the overall use of Selle Francais for breeding race horses, or their affect on the sport? I am having a hard time finding a good overview source that is reliable enough to be used in a good/featured article. The terminology is definitely sloppy in a few spots, and it doesn't help that the Selle Francais breed designation is based more on the studbook trials than on actual breeding. I think that the majority of horses used for racing are actually technically AQPS ("other than Thoroughbred") (that's another article I need to work on!), but from some brief mentions I have seen, it would not surprise me if a number of them had SF blood. Dana boomer (talk) 14:44, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an article [10] which gives decent overview and addresses some of the terminology issues (without solving them). An infusion of non-Tb blood does seem to yield good results but can cause some confusion: I have rewritten the lede of Barton (horse) several times. Tigerboy1966 19:20, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]