Talk:Sean Stokes

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This article was nominated for deletion review on & February 2021. The result of the discussion was Overturned to No Consensus.

This article was nominated for deletion on 20 January 2021. The result of the discussion was Delete.

Notability?[edit]

As far as I can see, Sean doesn't seem to fit any of the criteria for the notability of military personnel. Receiving a silver star isn't one of them, as it is the third highest honour; and more importantly there are >100,000 people who have received them, far too many to have a page on each.

Hamishblair (talk) 14:24, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK. But he is the subject of several best-selling non-fiction books and television documentaries, and there are too many web and newspaper articles to count. I haven't even cited a fraction of them yet. What's more, we know from Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Notability guide that award hierarchy is only one of many factors which go into determining the notability of military personnel:

It is presumed that individuals will almost always have sufficient coverage to qualify if they [...]. It is important to note that a person who does not meet the criteria mention above is not necessarily non-notable; ultimately, this determination must be made based on the availability of significant coverage in independent, secondary sources. [...] If, for instance, there is enough information in reliable sources to include details about a person's birth, personal life, education and military career, then they most likely warrant a stand-alone article.

The aforementioned details could easily be derived from the two currently-cited non-fiction books alone into a good-sized article. Keep in mind that the Article is far from complete right now. I'll continue to work on it periodically, but please anyone who thinks he isn't notable I urge you to google him or read one of the books (We Were One is better). Also check out his foundation's website. They have videos, letters (including one from Bill Clinton, another from John McCain) and plenty more.

kdr.bats22 (talk) 20:31, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Award Citation[edit]

@Viewmont Viking: You have to give me more than "nope" if you're going to delete an entire section without starting a discussion first (from Sean Stokes). kdr.bats22 (talk) 19:36, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you KdrBats22,I don't really have a strong preference one way or another, I do not like Wikipedia being used as a promotional platform for anyone living or dead. Therefore I will attach what I said on my talk page to you here and let the community decide how it would like to proceed.

"this individuals notability does not come from his Silver Star, it comes from him his court martial and also being in the correct unit at the correct time to have a book that included him. Therefore his Silver Star citation is undue weight based on the size of the article especially it is half the article. It seems more like a Memorial than anything that actually adds to this article."--VViking_TalkEdits 14:31, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I agree that the citation is too long relative to the current length of the article. Expanding the other sections should be the focus for now. However, the Silver Star is not insignificant. And his inclusion in the books doesn't appear to be unrelated to the award. But we can revisit the issue if necessary once the article is more complete and other sources have been exhausted. |KdrBats22|<talk> 08:45, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]