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NPOV must reflect consequence[edit]

suggest an alternative phrasing rather then just removing it, describing a military invasion and occupation as a 'humanitarian intervention' is far from neutral. You can't just say lets invade and occupy a country and not also remark on the consequences. liberal imperialism is well known tactic that has been employed for centuries, she has consistently advocated this for years in Sudan and elsewhere which i've given you several links for. look at her debate with Jeremy Scahill she's no saint. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lostexpectation (talk • contribs) 19:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ms Power's comments to The Scotsman and subsequent resignation[edit]

The recent facts of Ms. Power's embarrassing statements, which resulted in her resignation from the position of foreign policy advisor to Obama should stand within the article for the time being. Ms. Powers is a brilliant person, who has done much good work. She will continue to much good work, but the current news is a part of her biography. With distance and time, it will be easier to return to a normal bio and remove some of the very recent events and in the context of her life's work, I'm sure it will be a small and insignificant event. But newsworthy items, of recent events, that are sourced, accurate, and involve a significant event belong within the context of a biography of a living person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.36.10 (talk) 21:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does the "disavowed by Obama" need to be in the first paragraph? While relevant in a detailed discussion of the incident, it seems out of place in the intro paragraph Charles Oppermann (talk) 23:32, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As we approach the 12th anniversary of Ms. Power's regrettable remark to Scotsman reporter Gerri Peev, isn't it past time to downplay the incident, at least by removing mention of it from the opening section? MrMDog 20:09, 23 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrmdog (talk • contribs)

Organization[edit]

This article needs a major rewrite. I don't care about how much her remarks on Hillary Clinton stand out, but half of it is utterly redundant and circuitous. Suggestions for improvement welcomed. Cjs2111 (talk) 05:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bit tough because there are some minor editing skirmishes happening right now (wouldn't call them 'edit wars' yet exactly), so a lot of stuff is being added and removed repeatedly by a number of editors. It might be worth it to just sit tight for a few days until some of the IP editors slink back into the woodwork, then it'll be easier to work constructively. BTW not impugning all IP editors on this article. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 05:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Soapboxing
Please consider writing to Clinton and Obama and suggest she be forgiven and rehired. :-) Steve Dufour (talk) 06:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Soapboxing

Waterford: an impressive little place

Just listening to Louise Richardson on the radio and she is also from Waterford (population: 107,000) and a professor of political science in Harvard. And there was I thinking all culchies drove tractors. Not bad at all. 86.42.71.111 (talk) 15:00, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NSC report[edit]

There has been a report [1] that she has been named to the National Security Council, but the report also says there is no official announcement yet. Wait for something official about the "senior director for multilateral affairs at the National Security Council" position (the Jamie Metzl article seems to use a different title). -- SEWilco (talk) 03:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV: monster remarks[edit]

I deleted the following: "It must be acknowledged that her choice of the word "monster" was both emotionally loaded and difficult to diffuse. It is a widespread belief that her close association with President Obama indicates that her 'Monstergate' remark was shared by the then-presidential candidate."

as well as: "It is astonishing that his supporters continued to promote that his campaign was clean when Ms Power is still one of his close team members[1]"

as both paragraphs are completely unacceptable under a NPOV view. Also, the "widespread belief" is unsourced, most likely because THERE IS NO SOURCE. 84.129.151.242 (talk) 11:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Barack Obama forced to decry adviser's 'monster' remarks of Hillary Clinton - New York Daily News 2008-03-07

Ireland[edit]

we need to know if she is from Northern Ireland(protestant part) or Republic of Irelnd catholic part). this detail is really important for a better understanding of her political views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.231.38.170 (talk) 14:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternatively, you could judge her by her statements and actions rather than by the label of one religious sect or the other given to her when too young to voice an opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.246.81.101 (talk) 19:11, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Better still, we can discuss what independent reliable sources have to say and adding appropriately verifiable material to the article. - SummerPhD (talk) 18:22, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

At this time, the article says she is from Dublin. ---Dagme (talk) 18:08, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kennedy School of Goverment[edit]

I believe that Power is no longer affiliated with the Carr Center at the Kennedy School of Government @ Harvard. At the least, she is no longer teaching courses there. i.m.o. somebody should look into this and consider removing this information from the article - it's quite dated at this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.200.152 (talk) 21:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From what I gather - a reply from her Harvard email address - she taking leave from the Carr School until April 2011 So she is affiliated still Moloch09 (talk) 13:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ref's down[edit]

References #1 & 2 are down, does anyone have any alternate links? 99.231.211.103 (talk) 16:29, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Ellie Light[edit]

Much speculation on the internet that Samantha Power is behind the "Ellie Light" letters to the editor that appeared throughout the country in various newspapers. Can anyone confirm? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.99.9 (talk) 18:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Birthplace[edit]

Please could her birthplace be verified. This is because I have noticed that Samantha Power (actress), who is a completely different person, is also shown as born in Dungarvan, Co. Waterford, RoI. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:40, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I wondered about this too. I note that several publications have referred to Samantha Power, the foreign policy adviser, as born in Dublin: The Age, New York Daily News, New York Times, Belfast News Letter, Evening Herald. Note that the latter two sources were published in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland respectively, where writers, editors, and readers would be expected to know the difference between Dublin and Dungarvan. I can't help but think that her biographical information might have gotten confused with the actress of the same name. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • That seems like plenty of sourcing, so I made the change, choosing the Dublin paper as ref. Davemck (talk) 18:32, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The New York Times today reported that she was born in England, but later moved to Ireland, from which she emigrated to Pittsburgh. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.216.77.100 (talk) 13:31, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/23/world/a-new-us-player-put-on-world-stage-by-syria.html

Her place of birth, London or Dublin, is unclear. The GRO reference is not a definitive document, it is a transcript by the Freebmd project. Numerous press sources have her place of birth as Ireland. She attended a convent school in Dublin, Mount Anville. BTW the reference above to “protestant part” and “catholic part” is the height of ignorance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.163.145 (talk) 12:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In her memoir, 'The Education of an Idealist', Power writes. "I was born in September of 1970, while Mum was still studying to become a doctor in London. When my dad began the six-year course at University College Dublin shortly thereafter, we moved back to Dublin" -- c36b9 (talk) 15:57, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Citizenship[edit]

Given her apparent Irish nationality, where is a source that supplies information about her stated U.S. citizenship? She certainly appears to have abandoned her homeland completely and now even holds a most sensitive position in the U.S. government. When and how did she acquire U.S. citizenship? It doesn't appear either of her parents were American citizens, so, if she was naturalized, where are the sources that confirm and detail the event?

Conservatives see her as a dangerous Progressive[edit]

A new article this morning [2] "Obama will also name Samantha Power, a human rights expert and former White House adviser, to replace Rice as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations." To quote: "The Face of the Benghazi Talking Points Controversy Is Receiving a Promotion — and You Won’t Believe Her Replacement" NY Times: “Defiant gesture to Republicans” Politico: Samantha Power to become new U.N. ambassador (Cass Sunstein’s wife) Flashback: Blaze one of first major outlets to connect Power to Obama’s recent foreign policy Beck: Probably the most dangerous women in America …Video Hannity in 2009: One of the top 10 most dangerous people in the administration

We already have her "Views" in this Wikipedia article, and we probably don't need a "Controversy" section, IMHO, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:22, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Seriously, who really cares what the rabid right says about her? That's not notable. They'd complain about Jesus if Obama nominated him. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - not a gossip rag for regurgitating the talking points of political hacks. 2602:306:BD61:E0F0:D068:4284:825F:BA4E (talk) 04:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • However, this article's only indication that Power is not perfect are a few links to critics on the left and the Hilary Clinton kerfuffle. This article would be much improved by comments from foreign observers and scholars on Power's policies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.5.58.16 (talk) 17:40, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Update Source of Power's Confirmation?[edit]

Hello, could someone please update the citation note of Power's confirmation? The first linked source in the article was for when she was nominated, but now that she was confirmed I think we need to update the source. Of course, I could be wrong. I'd do it myself but I'm not exactly sure how to and I don't want to mess anything up. Thanks! Zarash6767 (talk) 08:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Soapboxing

Disenjenous ? The article crosses it's testimony. Saying some fear she doesn't like jews due to a statement years ago. Who appointed her? a jew. Is that a jew she's married to? appears so.

The fact of being foregin born (and maybe raised) and NOT knowing if her parents were or are part of the Irish government, and knowing she's often been a broad and is a news person. The media as government?

But really I wrote to say. Yes loyalty to U.S.A. concerns is goign to be questioned. It would be lovely to see effort on law and human rights co-ordinate with protecting U.S.A. interests rather than generic human rights.

Moreso. The U.N. is bloated that's why I write. It's like the size (or bigger) of a country and the spending upon it is horrific.

I've read many U.N. documents and can say: it's become wasteful spending. Reduce the size of U.N. That would help the poor to have money so they can work, the poor the U.N. keep writing more and more remote documents about. The poor the U.N. attack abroad to settle matters that would not be matters if government union spending were not a problem, maybe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.209.222.174 (talk) 04:49, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

lack of information / clarity in bio timeline[edit]

I found Power's bio timeline hard to follow. Dates are missing perhaps intentionally. For example:

Under Life and Career -- "Raised in Ireland until she was nine, Power lived in Castleknock and was schooled in .... Dublin until her parents emigrated to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in 1979... She attended Lakeside High School in Atlanta, where she was a member of the cross country team and the basketball team. She subsequently graduated from Yale University. From 1993 to 1996, she worked as a journalist, covering the Yugoslav Wars for U.S. News & World Report, The Boston Globe, The Economist, and The New Republic. When she returned to the United States, she attended Harvard Law School, receiving her J.D. in 1999.

Stated dates are shown marked with carats (the side box gives her birth year). Parentheses are my estimates of missing information in the bio. This seems to indicated that Power completed Harvard Law School and received her J.D. in record short time. Also "when she returned to the United States, she attended Harvard law school." It is not clear where she was before she returned. Granted she worked as a journalist covering the Yugoslav wars... but she was not on the ground the entire time period.. where was her base, the article would suggest it was not in the U.S., perhaps it was in a Grqnd Hyatt, Mandarin or Shangri-La hotel in the region?

Born 1970

Emigrated to us at nine yrs 1979

(Graduated high school 18 yrs 1988)

(Matriculated Yale undergrad around 1992)

1993-1996 journalist covering the Yugoslav wars

(Harvard law school 1996-1999)

J.D. Harvard law school 1999 Danleywolfe (talk) 16:05, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Views?[edit]

Seems like the balance in views is off. The third paragraph comprises almost 2/3 of the section and after a couple of sections giving background - remarks made suggesting America will need to act to stop a future Israeli acts of genocide, the remainder of the paragraph is about pro-Israeli "opponents" defending her against charges of racism. Reads as defence to the point of conceding guilt. 118.208.76.11 (talk) 05:39, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Was there anything notable about how she "appears" in the documentary[edit]

" Power appears in Charles Ferguson's 2007 documentary about the war in Iraq, No End in Sight, which alleges numerous missteps by the Bush administration." 178.232.151.70 (talk) 09:38, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Claim that few people really care about genocide prevention[edit]

I have my doubts about this text belonging in the article: "Upon her departure from the White House to take up the position as the United States Ambassador to the United Nations, Mike Abramowitz, Director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum's Center for the Prevention of Genocide said: "There is a small group of people that really care about genocide prevention and prevention of mass atrocities, and we all appreciate that we had a real champion for those issue at the highest levels of government. She worked very hard to strengthen the interagency treatment of these issues, and she had a great deal of passion for those issues, and she brought that passion to the government."(Josh Rogin, "Samantha Power leaving White House," Foreign Policy, February 4, 2013.) 178.232.151.70 (talk) 10:16, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How to highlight her views[edit]

Her most notable views might belong together with the mention of the position she held, when her views received notable mention. There probably no need for a seperate section towards the top of the article.

"Power is known for her efforts to increase public awareness of genocide and human rights abuses, particularly in the Darfur conflict. In 2006, she contributed to Screamers, a movie about the Darfur, Armenian, and other genocides of the 20th and 21st centuries. While Power was a leading voice calling for armed intervention to prevent mass atrocities in the Balkans and Libya,(Gott, Richard (January 17, 2007). "Britain's vote to end its slave trade was a precursor to today's liberal imperialism". The Guardian. London. Retrieved May 23, 2010.) she emphasizes that the United States has many non-military options for responding: "If you think of foreign policy as a toolbox, there are a whole range of options—you can convene allies, impose economic sanctions, expel ambassadors, jam hate radio. There is always something you can do."(Celestine Bohlen, "On a Mission to Shine a Spotlight on Genocide; Samantha Power's Mind Leaps From Bosnia to Iraq," The New York Times, February 5, 2003.) 178.232.151.70 (talk) 10:42, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why the quote needs to be in the wikipedia article[edit]

A source other than Charlie Rose is needed to demonstrate notability of a quote from the Charlie Rose Show. Thereafter notability and relevance has to be demonstrated as to why the quote needs to be in the wikipedia article.

"On February 21, Power appeared on Charlie Rose and compared Barack Obama to Sergio Vieira de Mello, who is the subject of Chasing the Flame. "This would be Sergio's lesson: if you are not thinking in terms of both dignity and freedom from fear, and this is the other thing Obama has come back to, the old Rooseveltian idea. Obama has tried to run a campaign that moves us out of the politics of fear. He is also very sensitive to the degree to which, and Sergio uses this line, 'fear is a bad adviser.' This is a line that could have come out of Obama's mouth, though happened to come out of Sergio's mouth. We make bad judgments when we are afraid."("A conversation with Samantha Power". Charlie Rose. February 21, 2008. Retrieved January 1, 2011.) 46.15.53.30 (talk) 12:22, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Notability not demonstrated[edit]

"A recently posted document gives several examples of pro-Israel, Republican support for her."("Dropbox - Disabled link". Dropbox. Retrieved 24 December 2014.) 46.15.53.30 (talk) 12:55, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian Genocide[edit]

Powers said about a thousand things during the presidential election, possibly including the following sentence in quotation marks: ""Armenians for Obama" uploaded a video of Power to YouTube where she referred to Obama's "unshakeable conscientiousness" regarding genocide in general and the Armenian genocide in particular, as well as saying that he would "call a spade a spade, and speak the truth about it".(Video on YouTube)

Are there any references that prove that Obama has not been "calling a spade a spade, and speak[ing] the truth about" that spade?

Regarding the Armenian Genocide, has Powers promised by what date the president would have performed specific actions? 46.212.32.227 (talk) 05:51, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Attempts are seemingly made at painting a picture of Power and/or Obama, and the following point might in part belong in the articles about Obama and his presidency, however the text does not demonstrate notability for this article:
"Power has faced criticism for her silence on Obama's failure to recognize the Armenian Genocide, especially after its 100th anniversary in 2015".(Boteach, Shmuley (April 23, 2015). "Samantha Power, our great crusader against genocide, is weirdly complacent about these mass slaughters. Why?". The Washington Post. Retrieved May 2, 2015.) She has refused to comment on the issue.(Klein, Joseph (April 27, 2015). "Abandonment of Christian Victims of Genocide Today". Frontpage Mag. Retrieved May 2, 2015.) 46.212.32.227 (talk) 06:07, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. The article is criticizing Power for not mentioning the Armenian Genocide since she's been appointed to her office. Why would that go in Obama's article? And why are you so intent on whitewashing this article, Mr. One-Subject-IP?—Chowbok ☠ 15:23, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It might suprise you to hear, but her current job description is to not piss of her superiors (the secretary of state and the president) and to promote US interests at the United Nations. One thing which might be needed to discuss is a priority list of notable things that have happened during her tenure as ambassador - which should be mentioned in the encyclopedia article. I suspect that the non-mentioning of the Armenian Genocide is not a top twenty matter in regard to her tenure. The very minute that Obamas presidency is over, that is a likely starting point when one can determine if he was a liar (or whatever) about his stance on the Armenian Genocide. He can still make good on your or others' expactations and/or his promises or apparent promises. I understand that for some there is disappointment that Obama did not make an announcement about the genocide around the time of the 100 year anniversary. However, I expect that scholars have already pointed out reasons why Obama has not been outspoken about the Armenian Genocide hitherto in the presidency. Perhaps if Rabbi Shmuley Boteach's political ambition had carried him all the way to Capitol Hill (as an elected official), than you and I would be disagreeing on another matter instead. On a prioritised list of events in Powers tenure as ambassador, at what number do you rate the "Armenian Genocide expected recognition" issue? Of those who agree with your POV, which persons had the highest rank in US politics at the time, and do you have references thereof? 46.212.18.160 (talk) 20:08, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To Chowbok, the same way you accuse others of whitewashing, you can be accused of hogwashing. Everyone should refrain from hogwashing and whitewashing, including you. 46.212.18.160 (talk) 20:41, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The following comment is from a discussion [3] that is slightly/somewhat different than this one:
"the complaint reeks of pro-Armenian POV. Editors are not allowed to introduce polemics from partisans of 1915 episodes imposed on 2016 diplomatic issues. The article must be neutral between Turkey and Armenia on the 2016 issues of rhetoric/ apologies/ guilt. Rjensen (talk) 20:55, 1 April 2016 (UTC)" 89.8.215.45 (talk) 21:08, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's a totally valid criticism of Power. She promised that Obama would say something about the Armenian genocide, and he hasn't so far, and neither has she, apparently, since being appointed ambassador. Of course, he still has another nine months or so to do it, but even if he did say something about it in the time remaining, there's still grounds for criticism - of both him and her - that it took him so long. And that is the case whatever you think about the Armenian genocide. This is, at the very least, an issue of a broken promise. Korny O'Near (talk) 03:03, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
For now, it is an issue of dashed expectations. When one or both of them are out of the current office that they each hold - at that time one will know if a promise has been broken. 178.232.7.171 (talk) 10:39, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cameroonian child killed by Power motorcade 18Apr16[edit]

Breaking news in the (London) Telegraph (www.telegraph.co.uk/) on 18 April 2016. Vehicle running over the child, who ran into road, was a convoy escort, not Power's own. Possibly worth inclusion once story matures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.76.96.151 (talk) 21:58, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is Samantha Power Jewish?[edit]

This page incorrectly lists her as Jewish. I bring it up because the same page lists Brian Chesky's name right next to Power (he's an Italian-Polish Catholic), and someone is trying to use that "source" to list Chesky as Jewish on Wikipedia. Obviously, if Chesky is to be listed as Jewish, so should Power be. So can someone tell the people on that page that their "source" is obviously ridiculous? (and makes ANOTHER error on the same page, Reid Hoffman). Dohodho (talk) 22:44, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Anville school in Dublin is a Convent of the Sacred Heart. Roman Catholic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.163.145 (talk) 12:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Unmasking controversy[edit]

I just checked wikipedia for info on Ms Power with respect to the unmasking controversy. There is nothing there. The only controversial element is her "monster" remark referring to Hillary Clinton. The article as it is appears almost like self promotion bio. The unmasking controversy is getting ever more media attention. The ability of our intelligence agencies to protect us from terrorism is enabled by a few laws that allow a type of "wiretapping" on US citizens in certain circumstances, but the names are masked. The unmasking controversy is showing that the intelligence apparatus was being used for political attacks and thus Congress may prohibit the renewal of the laws in question because the safeguards were trampled. We don't want the terrorists to get the upper hand, so we really need to report the unmasking in hopes that it will be forever stopped, and the law renewed with unmasking violations punished where and when appropriate. Silence is a form of approval. Wikipedia should be above the political aspect of the controversy and just report the truth. Knowsetfree (talk) 16:17, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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TPLF[edit]

TPLF Is a terrorist group. Why do you support them. Gesese Rufael (talk) 06:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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