Talk:Rumbold of Buckingham

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Church of St Rumbold?[edit]

I have never known for this 19th century congregational church to be referred to as St Rumbold Church. It is currently the Radcliffe Centre, University of Buckingham. Is there a reference to confirm this old name? Warren (talk) 10:47, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't understand the new name[edit]

He is not referred to as 'Rumwold of Buckingham' as far as I can tell, so the renaming of the article is wrong; locally he is referred to as St Rumbold, and even the old diocesan city of Lincoln has a street with his name as Rumbold. I've not seen any reference to suggest that this new article title is right. Warren (talk) 22:04, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rumwold is the Old English form of his name, but they are the same name. He is called Rumwold in many reliable sources,gbooks including Blair's "Handlist of Anglo-Saxon Saints". Buckingham (the location of the shrine) distinguishes him from the saint of Mechelen and the lost saint or saints commemorated at Romaldkirk in Yorkshire and Haugh in Lincolnshire. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 22:09, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You misunderstand my question; it is clear that the name is spelt many ways, but it is the naming of the title with the town name. It is more likely to be known as Rumbold of Buckingham, rather than Rumwold of Buckingham, (Sir George Clarke, The Legend of St Rumbod, Journal of Northamptonshire Record Society vol III no 4 1963; Rodney Shirley The strange tale of St Rumbold of Buckingham, Buckingham Society 2008) and this new name may make it harder to find for those not so well versed on the historical spellings. Warren (talk) 22:21, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, you said "He is not referred to as 'Rumwold of Buckingham'", and I was just showing that this is not true. Often it's better to use standard Old English forms as they are more rational ... i.e. someone interested in OE history who is not knowledgeable about Buckingham would be more likely to find Rumwold. You see, all over England you get all different weird modernizations of old saints, but the popular OE forms are standard. It's about balance. If you think there will be genuine confusion with Rumwold as opposed to Rumbold, then by all means move it to Rumbold of Buckingham (but check that gbooks link I posted if you want to verify its use). Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 22:27, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a redirect from St. Rumbold of Buckingham which will help anyone who is studying general local history rather than formal Old English history. Thanks for the gbooks link - I hadn't had a chance to see first hand the R Love text, so that was helpful, and added the feast day while I was at it. Warren (talk) 22:43, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced[edit]

Today, there are only 4 references to sources and then only for a few short statements. The rest of the lengthy article is entirely unsourced. Some claims contradict one source that I found (and I am not inclined to check the entire article against it, which needs to be done before one might consider to mention it as a general source): Three Eleventh-Century Anglo-Latin Saints' Lives, page 140 (Part: Vita S Rumwoldi, edited and translated by Rosalind C. Love) (on Google Books). In the section here above, there appears to be another source. As the article stands for now however, it should be up for deletion...
▲ SomeHuman 2011-07-05 05:21 (UTC)

Update: The source I mentioned above does appear to confirm several claims in the article. It is therefore justified as a 'General source', and I added it as such. Nevertheless, I would appreciate the author(s) of the WP article to indicate the relevant source wherever they deviated from that general source. Rest assured, deletion of the entire article is thus no option.
▲ SomeHuman 2011-07-26 10:53 (UTC)

Six Surviving Churches[edit]

One of the "six surviving churches" is in Bonnington in Kent, on the edge of Romney Marsh: https://www.achurchnearyou.com/church/12105/ Thomas Peardew (talk) 19:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's another at Pentridge, in Dorset: see http://www.handleychurch.org.uk/historical/historical_st_rumbolds.html. And another in Cann, Dorset, though the church is now used for other purposes: see https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1254449 I have amended the text in the article. Thomas Peardew (talk) 15:41, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And another at Stoke Doyle, Northamptonshire (possibly spelled Rumbald): see https://www.nationalchurchestrust.org/node/7023?map_link=true Thomas Peardew (talk) 15:46, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]