Talk:Royal Rumble (2018)

Source?

Any source for this match? Its added without stipulation or source... Roman Reigns (c) (with Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose) vs. Samoa Joe (with Sheamus and Cesaro) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.226.238.139 (talk) 14:11, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

It's fixed. The parameter was malformed. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:22, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Women's Royal Rumble Entrant

Are there sources confirming that the women on Raw are officially in the Women's Royal Rumble match? Did Stephanie announced the participants for the match or she just announced the match? Donnowin1 (talk) 22:11, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Looks to me like it was just the match. I can't find anything stating otherwise. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:24, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

I haven't seen anything confirming any women from Raw have been added, yet. DAndrewC (talk) 23:16, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Asuka, Bayley, Nia Jax, Sasha Banks, Mickie James, Alicia Fox, and Dana Brooke, Paige, Mandy Rose, Sonya Deville --JDC808 ♫ 20:01, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Carmella, Tamina and Lana have been confirmed for the women's royal rumble match BITW1611 (talk) 02:17, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Liv Morgan and Sarah Logan are also confirmed for the women's royal rumble match. BITW1611 (talk) 02:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Dana Brooke has entered herself into the women's royal rumble in her most recent instagram post BITW1611 (talk) 11:31, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

John Cena

Please leave Cena listed as a Raw wrestler...that's how he is assigned as per WWE.com, and as past disputes about similar matters has shown, consensus is to go by what WWE.com says.

Thank you.

Vjmlhds (talk) 00:09, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Vjmlhds, where are you seeing that he is assigned to Raw? On each wrestler's superstar profile on WWE.com, it says which brand they are a part of above their name. Cena does not have a brand above his name: John Cena's profile versus Aiden English's. --JDC808 ♫ 03:06, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

JDC808 On the Raw section of the WWE.com superstars page, they have Cena listed as part of the Raw roster. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:22, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Is this the same issue we had last year with the Undertaker at last year Royal Rumble. Donnowin1 (talk) 16:40, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Donnowin1 Taker - while appearing mostly on Raw - was never listed as part of any roster on WWE.com, thus listing him as unassigned was the correct thing to do. Here, Cena IS listed as part of the Raw roster on WWE.com, thus IS assigned to a brand. Yes, they call him a free agent and can come and go as he pleases, but he is listed as a Raw wrestler on their website (the same source we use to list people on the List of WWE personnel article). Just being consistent...WWE.com has him listed as Raw, so he gets listed as Raw for the purposes of this article - simple as that...no need to make calculus out of simple math. Vjmlhds (talk) 17:31, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Note - Due to the constant back and forth this page has been completely locked down for 2 days. We should get a resolution to this before then and make it very clear so we stop having these issues. - Galatz^Talk 22:52, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

As I said on the WP:PW page, I will concede about Cena. Even though he IS listed as a Raw wrestler on WWE.com, the storyline is that he's a free agent that can come and go as he pleases, so that's what we'll go with here. Hopefully, standing down will get this thing back open. Vjmlhds (talk) 23:33, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Due to the numerous edit requests I've reduced the length of full protection. It will expire in six hours. Please do not edit war after this. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:44, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 2 January 2018

Can you please advance Xavier Woods to the semi-finals in the United States Championship tournament as he scored a pinfall victory over Aiden English on tonight's episode of WWE SmackDown. I Am Awesome 061796 (talk) 02:05, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Xavier Woods defeated Aiden English to advance in the United States Championship tournament on the January 2nd SmackDown. Not sure the time of the match. Also, Lana, Tamina, Carmella, Sarah Logan, and Liv Morgan are the women's Royal Rumble. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 02:20, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Baron Corbin is confirmed for men's royal rumble match BITW1611 (talk) 02:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Daniel Bryan announced that AJ Styles will defend his WWE title against Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn in a Handicap match. And Xavier Woods advancing in the United States Championship tournament. --2601:40C:8202:2EA0:39F9:977F:21B6:953 (talk) 03:37, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

 Note: I comprised this into one big edit request. All of this can be supported by this link from the Wrestling Observer. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:37, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 3 January 2018

please add royal rumble handicap match for WWE champion title sami zayn vs k.o. vs a.j. styles. Mvak khan (talk) 04:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

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Protected edit request on 3 January 2018

Gydnar (talk) 06:28, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

New matches & participants

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Protected edit request on 3 January 2018

After " DAndrewC (talk) 07:09, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

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Becky Lynch

Looking for some advice on whether or not this tweet would be sufficient proof that Beck Lynch will be in the women's royal rumble? If not, what does qualify as sufficient evidence?

@BeckyLynchWWE (January 2, 2018). "Right after I win the first women's royal rumble" (Tweet) – via Twitter.

No. WWE did some backstage videos immediately following the announcement with the women of Raw, where they all basically said they were gonna be in the match, but they weren't confirmed until they made an announcement on an episode of Raw. So until she announces her participation on an episode of SmackDown, or WWE decides to count what was said on social media, she is not confirmed. One example is Nia Jax. She said she was gonna be in the match in the backstage video, but she has yet to be confirmed for the match (confirmed participants). --JDC808 ♫ 23:05, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Number of Participants in Women's RR

WWE has been unclear as of late in describing the number of participants in the Women's Royal Rumble match, as seen here[1], where the match is described as both "30-woman" and having "29 competitors." This matter should be carefully monitored for all obvious reasons. ☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk) 17:48, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

WWE made it very clear, it will be 30 - Galatz^Talk 18:04, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Samoa Joe Ingury

Samoa Joe can't be in the Royal Rumble because he is ingured Trevor800 (talk) 03:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

He's still listed as a participate on the WWE website, unless the WWE says that Joe will not compete in the Royal Rumble due to his injury. He stays there. TheDeviantPro (talk) 04:35, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Question about “Unnessecary” reversions

I’ve seen before situations where myself and others add in details to the background section of pay-per-views and they sometimes get reverted because they are “unnessecary”. I don’t get this. This is Wikipedia, don’t you want to have the most detailed and full story possible? KingOfTheRing (talk) 02:58, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

No, only relevant and sourced information in necessary. This is not a depository to give every single tiny spec of details. I suggest you read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not - Galatz^Talk 03:13, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on January 13, 2018

In the first paragraph:

"It will be the thirty-first event under the Royal Rumble chronology, the first to feature a women's Royal Rumble match, and subsequently, the first to feature two Royal Rumble matches."

The word "subsequently" means "afterward" and it doesn't make sense here. After what? However, the word "consequently" means "because of this." This is "the first to feature a women's Royal Rumble match, and because of this, the first to feature two Royal Rumble matches." That makes sense. So please change "subsequently" to "consequently". 2602:306:BC31:4AA0:480B:1D12:4102:2962 (talk) 17:35, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done Nickag989^talk 17:46, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

 Note: marking as answered. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Paige

I re-added Paige since her missing the Royal Rumble is mostly speculation from news media; same about her possible retirement. No official confirmation from the WWE or Paige that have says that she will miss the Royal Rumble. She still on the list of confirmed competitors for the match on the WWE website. This the same with the Samoa Joe situation. Wait for official confirmation before removing her. TheDeviantPro (talk) 00:20, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

PLEASE RE-ADD THE WWE UNITED STATES CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH AND BRACKETS

Can someone put this back please! WWE has not said anything about the finals not taking place at the Royal Rumble. According to WWE.com, the match is still happening. Whoever stupidly removed it, should not have done so! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.180.75 (talk) 18:46, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

This is regarding edits made by TheDeviantPro, therefore, I will ask him to make a statement on this matter. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 22:08, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

He has stated this as his source [2]. - Galatz^Talk 22:23, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Note his source is dated 12/26 vs the source in the article [3] which is dated 12/29. - Galatz^Talk 22:24, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

The source from the WWE,[4] which is used in the match table in the article says otherwise which I was going by. If you think it will happen at the Royal Rumble, you might want to replace the source in the match table since it's contradicts the final dates. TheDeviantPro (talk) 22:56, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

There are a lot of sources used in multiple places, so I am not sure exactly which one you gave, but the one in the body that says its at Royal Rumble is the one I gave. - Galatz^Talk 02:25, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

The source might be dated 12/26, but it has clearly been updated since then, considering it has the names of all four semi-finalists even though two of them weren't determined until January. It's possible that the info on the tournament finals taking place on Jan. 23 is a recent update to that article. Is there a way to check? Andresg770 (talk) 02:59, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

WWE.com says the finals are now taking place on SmackDown January 23rd. Here is the link:

http://www.wwe.com/shows/smackdown/article/united-states-championship-tournament This should end any debate. OldSkool01 (talk) 05:46, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

That is the same link as above that began the debate, so it certainly does not end it. - Galatz^Talk 12:33, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

No one has provided any WP:RS that are not WP:PRIMARY. - Galatz^Talk 15:40, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

PWInsider has now reported that the finals have been bumped from the PPV. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks - Galatz^Talk 16:28, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Derrick Bateman

Derrick Bateman was confirmed to be in WWE Royal Rumble 2018 from recent tweets and sources. Add him to Male Royal Rumble 2018 Entry List as a (Free Agent) already.

--TransitRiderSF (talk) 09:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Source for this confirmation? - Galatz^Talk 14:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Enzo Amore

Enzo has been officially suspended, is that cause to remove his match listing? Corabal (talk) 23:38, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Until something is said about his match specifically, no. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:42, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Trish Stratus

Someone put Trish Stratus as confirmed for the Women’s royal Rumble and basically colored all of the references in red highlight. Kingoftheworldb (talk) 02:23, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Never mind someone removed it. Kingoftheworldb (talk) 02:58, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Ethan Carter III, John Cena and Enzo Amore

EC3

Derrick Bateman was confirmed to be in WWE Royal Rumble 2018 from recent tweets and sources. Add him to Male Royal Rumble 2018 Entry List as a (Free Agent) already as reviewed in reliable articles sources. Derrick Bateman was confirmed to be in WWE Royal Rumble 2018 from recent tweets and sources. Add him to Male Royal Rumble 2018 Entry List as a (Free Agent) already. Derrick Bateman is confirmed to be in WWE Royal Rumble 2018 through pass through sources User:BusriderSF2015 (talk) 01:45, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

 Not done That just said that he cancelled an indie date for this weekend. That means absolutely nothing. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:40, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Never mind he made his return back to NXT second time.. TransitRiderSF (talk) 22:17, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Which is exactly why we don't add content to wikipedia based on what you think. Please refer to a WP:RS when making suggestions in the future. Thank you. - Galatz^Talk 23:11, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

You saying that not me, i just got it from PWInsider info sources. What matter now i wasn`t wrong about the source, but all i can say its let see what happens. BusriderSF2015 (talk) 5:03 PM (PT)

John Cena

John Cena someone add back the free agent white background color hes not either Raw or Smackdown. John Cena is a Free Agent. Time that was unnecessary changed, 23:51, 23 January 2018‎ (Background color for John Cena should remain white as hes a Free Agent meaning he will appear on both shows)

TransitRiderSF (talk) 05:46, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Enzo Amore

Details should be correct were Enzo Amore was fired for failing to tell WWE about allegedly rape , not "released from WWE on January 23 due to charges of sexual harassment and sexual assault" should be corrected. TransitRiderSF (talk) 23:24, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I suggest you read WP:RS and review WP:PW/RS for what sources are reliable. - Galatz^Talk 02:14, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Enzo Amore was fired from WWE for unacceptable behavior, not solely because of Alleged Rape. TransitRiderSF (talk) 01:45, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

References

Breezango and the Ascension

According to the Fashion Files from January 25, all four of them are heading to the Rumble. Yet, it is somewhat ambiguous, as they have four tickets and do not actually declare. Also, WWE does not list them as entrants yet. Should they be added or left out for safe measure until the Rumble or a definitive confirmation? --DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 14:02, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

EDIT: the tweet says "headed for the royal rumble", so I guess one can take that as a confirmation...--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 16:20, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Nothing should be included unless it as a WP:RS confirming it. - Galatz^Talk 01:43, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Nakamura won

Update info!

it is there, multiple times already - Galatz^Talk 02:50, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Sheamus In-Ring Time

Sheamus was clearly not in the match for 20 seconds. He went in and immediately out like Santino. Heath Slater said he had broken the record in an interview. I think WWE made a typo and was supposed to put 2 and not 20. 184.157.56.41 (talk) 21:16, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

2 seconds is correct, by the time he steps on ring is already started counting by seconds. BusriderSF2015 (talk) 6:13PM, 29 January 2018 (PT)

As explained to you above everything needs a WP:RS. You saying it does not make it a fact. Provide one and then open a conversation. - Galatz^Talk 02:18, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Sheamus was eliminated in 2 seconds at Royal Rumble 2018. BusriderSF2015 (talk) 6:36PM, 29 January 2018 (PT)

As you've been told several times provide a source stating such. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 02:40, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Sheamus Correct Elimination In-Ring Time

Its 2 seconds if did watch Royal Rumble 2018 Men Royal Rumbe that`s the WWE source WWE RAW Janaury 29, 2018 by Michael Cole re-confirm it verbally. In related information, Santino was eliminated in 1 second by the time he step foot in the ring is 1 second before getting eliminated. The time should never been messed with in first place as its 2 seconds. A Source Link would be provided after WWE Raw Jan 29, 2018 has ended to reconfirmed my info and others info about it being 2 seconds BusriderSF2015 (talk) 7:22PM, 29 January 2018 (PT)

Nevertheless, No Wikapedia Users or Non-User shall be powerful than others no matter how long user contributed, not even Wikipedia staff, and especially displayed reliable sources (WP:RS and WP:PW/RS). BusriderSF2015 (talk) 7:53PM, 29 January 2018 (PT)

What you just said makes absolutely no sense. Yes what a RS says trumps what you say every time. - Galatz^Talk 03:57, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

It make sense very, but going just call Wikapedia Staff (thats not a BOT) over to make a decision regarding big deal case (about 2 seconds and 20 seconds thing) BusriderSF2015 (talk) 8:06PM, 29 January 2018 (PT)

There is no "Wikipedia staff" but I am an administrator. All disputed info needs a reliable, published source. If editors agree sources have made an obvious mistake (which sometimes happens), leave the info out until the sources have corrected themselves or new sources are found. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:15, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank You, i will comply Admin Decison. A Contributor would put a source regarding that "2 or 20 seconds thing" as soon it releases. BusriderSF2015 (talk) 8:21PM, 29 January 2018 (PT)

This is not an "administrator decision". Admins have no special say over content. I'm just stating what guidelines should be applied by the editors participating here. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:24, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Finalizing Conversation

It just some confusion between many new like contributors and long time contributors over the 2 seconds or 20 seconds thing. That notification is good enough by the administrator good enough. We will just wait for "THAT" source to be released regarding the Sheamus Ring Time during the WWE Men`s Royal Rumble 2018, WWE displaying his ring time before being elimination as 20 seconds. The time highly incorrect as the correct in-ring time before elimination for Sheamus is 2 seconds.

Sheamus Correct 2 Seconds Elimination at Men`s Royal Rumble 2018 Reconfirmation (Notification TO Wrestlers Wikipedia Editors)

Michael Cole in Commentary verbally reconfirmed Sheamus being eliminated in 2 seconds at Mens Royal Rumble 2018 on RAW Episode January 29, 2018 during the WWE RAW Tag Team Championship Match (Cesaro and Sheamus vs Titus O'Neil and Apollo Crews). Despite Royal Rumble 2018 repeated revision setting Sheamus elimination time to the correct 2 seconds elimination time. Due to a Guideline (which should be voided), We are just waiting "THAT" source to be corrected or a new source to be released to support the correct time 2 seconds for Sheamus In-Ring time before Men`s Royal Rumble 2018 Elimination.BusriderSF2015 (talk) 1:48PM, 30 January 2018 (PT)

Added this source yesterday, but it was reverted. From the official WWE recap of the January 29, 2018 Raw: http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2018-01-29

"Heath Slater certainly showed he’s made of tougher stuff than everyone thought during the Royal Rumble Match, where his epic slog to the ring ended in a two-second elimination of the mighty Sheamus." SilentGanda (talk) 19:02, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

The http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2018-01-29 source is correct enough to correct the information of reliable time for two-second elimination of the Sheamus in ring time at Mens Royal Rumble 2018. Michael Cole in Commentary verbally reconfirmed Sheamus being eliminated in 2 seconds at Mens Royal Rumble 2018 during the WWE RAW Tag Team Championship Match (Cesaro and Sheamus vs Titus O'Neil and Apollo Crews) Full Match, the source http://www.wwe.com/shows/royalrumble/article/2018-royal-rumble-statistics-entrants-eliminations was posted before Raw Jan 29, 2018, thus that guideline best to voided which prevents reliable info being posted. BusriderSF2015 (talk) 11:27AM, 31 January 2018 (PT)

Cause of the guideline, i going wokraround and say I going say on the Note

Although WWE recognized as 20 seconds, the actual time is disputed. (2 seconds)

WWE Article Writers confusing the many sources despite being 2 second elimination and the guideline to prevent a reliable info to be post would be voided.BusriderSF2015 (talk) 3:00PM, 31 January 2018 (PT)

Further thoughts

This whole debate is ridiculous. It is an obvious mistake on WWE's part for the one source that for some reason we are clinging to. We have reliable sources, even from WWE themselves, that say that the time was in fact 2 seconds, not 20, yet we're reporting what ONE source says. Multiple reliable sources clearly stating it was 2 seconds trumps one that says 20. The time should be changed in the table and the current wording should also be changed for the note. --JDC808 ♫ 02:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

If it was an obvious mistake why have they not fixed it? If it can't be used for Sheamus why can it be for everyone else? Have you gone through and double checked everyone else?

Perhaps they are using different criteria than you to make their determination. May one is from when he is announced and one is from when he entered the ring. Have you gone through each and every one to confirm this is correct?

Additionally your edit says WWE's official source mistakenly reports 20 seconds. Please provide your WP:RS to back up this statement. - Galatz^Talk 02:52, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

@JDC808 Despite Cole re-confirming it being 2 seconds, there a guideline preventing the incorrect info (20 Seconds) to be changed to correct info (2 seconds). Some Good Wikapedia users proposed change to block that rule allow the correct info to be displayed in such case like this. In related info, Santino was eliminated same way ...as soon Santino stepped in ring clock ticked at 1 before Rumble Elimination. As many times sources and Truthful user who watched Royal Rumble, the elimination is no doubt to be 2 seconds despite a careless error/typo info by WWE.com listing as 20 second instead of the correct 2 Seconds in ring time

References

There being a guideline like that literally makes no sense. --JDC808 ♫ 11:36, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Because perhaps no one has brought it to their attention? Just an example, up until sometime last year, the title history for the United States Championship on WWE's website said that Johnny Valentine held the title for several years beyond the time he vacated it. It wasn't corrected until it was pointed out to them via Twitter (I believe it was WrestlingLegend who Tweeted them about it and they just happened to see his Tweet). In regards to your question about using the source for everyone else but Sheamus, there's no dispute for everyone else's time. --JDC808 ♫ 11:36, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

So they use different criteria for Sheamus, but no one else? Despite the fact that on Raw, Michael Cole clearly stated that Heath Slater eliminated him in 2 seconds. Despite the fact that they did a backstage interview with Slater questioning if he had broken the record for fastest elimination (that kind of question doesn't happen when the record is 1 second and the source you're so die hard for mistakenly says 20 seconds). And I'm pretty sure that they've said before that their time in the match doesn't actually begin until they enter the ring because they're not officially in the match until they enter the ring. --JDC808 ♫ 11:36, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

It's a clear and obvious mistake. What I don't understand is why you support keeping the mistake. There's a source linked in this very discussion which was WWE's report of the January 29 episode of Raw and in said report, it clearly states that Sheamus was eliminated in 2 seconds. That got removed despite WWE being a RS. I'd have to filter through others, though I'm curious to why you haven't done this as well? --JDC808 ♫ 11:36, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

So in short, you have nothing that supports your comment that its an obvious mistake besides for WP:OR. Got it, thanks for clarifying. - Galatz^Talk 12:45, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

So you're going to ignore everything that I said, including about an RS, and just brush this under the rug? Got it. Thanks for letting me know that you're content with an obvious mistake and have no intention to help fix it. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. --JDC808 ♫ 02:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@JDC808 Can`t do anything until the implementation of the changes to the guideline soon, and for now just cite sources (you can cite like 150 sources (even a source from WWE Sheamus itself)..or whatever). We know WWE clearly mistakenly put Sheamus time as 20 seconds. Boy this Talk page over this issue will become a long scrolling page soon. BusriderSF2015 (talk) 1:30PM, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Are you able to link me this guideline, because I have never seen the one you're referring to. --JDC808 ♫ 02:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Santino 1 second elimination info supports the information were Sheamus was eliminated in 2 seconds at the Mens Royal Rumble 2018 voiding the 20 seconds mistakenly error. BusriderSF2015 (talk) 04:01, 10 February 2018‎ (UTC)

There is no guideline that supports obviously incorrect information being retained in articles. A bit of Wikipedia history: Our verifiability policy used to have this phrase in the lead, "verifiability, not truth". This was taken out as the community realized that having obviously incorrect info in articles, even though it was published in reliable sources, made us look dumb (to put it bluntly). Even the explanatory essay, WP:NOTTRUTH, has this: "Even the most reliable sources commit mistakes from time to time, such as misspelling a name or getting some detail wrong. Such mistakes, when found, should be ignored, and not be employed to describe a non-existent dispute." --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:34, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

If the information is not correctly reverted to two seconds, I will do it myself. Do not let guideline or policy include blatant typo or misinformation. The time of two seconds is indisputable. Regards, — Moe Epsilon 01:23, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Agreed some of guidelines shall be voided for this case. Here to introduce a new temporary rule only for this issue, that would allow the correct "2 seconds In Ring Elimination to be posted on the Charts" for Sheamus Time.

Temporary WP:RS-SheamusRumble 2018 Rule

This temporary rule only for Sheamus Royal Rumble In Ring Elimination for 2018 Mems Royal Rumble, This rule would allow the correct "2 seconds In Ring Elimination to be posted on the "Article version of the Charts" for Sheamus Time to be posted on the charts voiding any interference from some WP: rules that would prevent such correct info to be posted as long the re-confirmation from Michael Cole or any informative supports it. BusriderSF2015 (talk) 5:57PM, 12 February 2018 (PT)

I don't mean to stir this up again, but this isn't a "temporary rule" and "voidance of guidelines." This is correct information. NeilN said it perfectly; Wikipedia should not be using obviously false information just because one reliable source made a mistake. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:23, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

The 2 Seconds once again verified verbally by Michael Cole on WWE Raw Jan 29, 2018 during Titus O'Neil & Apollo Crews vs Sheamus & Cesaro for WWE Raw Tag Team Championship match http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2018-01-29#full-detail-40037714, this show was aired after the WWE Charts was posted with obvious typo of incorrect/false Sheamus times chart. The 2 seconds is correct and true info (supporting this Santino enter ring only lasted 1 second) but i will have few veterans mid 2000`s Wikapedia Editors help review and make changes to this temporary rule if needed to allow the 0:02 to be posted as long that reliable source is provided disallowing some WP: ...rules to not allow the correct/true info 0:02 to change from the incorrect/false 0:20. Example Chart below. BusriderSF2015 (talk) 12:17AM, 14 February 2018 (PT)

This talk about 2 seconds not meant be silly or trolling purpose, but to insert the 2 seconds reliable true time. Cole reconfirmed on TV right after the chart was making the 2 seconds the true time as originally announce from reliable source which we provided number of times and will not link again. This large talk wont happen if the correct true time 2 seconds was never changed in first number of truthful users gave proofs. BusriderSF2015 02:31, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@BusriderSF2015: I must say you are the most exhausting person I have ever seen contribute to a talk page. I am sure you mean well but your posts are impossible to follow. You make reference to policies and discussions taking place on wikipedia but provide no links to them. Your sentence structure is impossible to follow. Then you go back and randomly bold and change things to say something completely different than what you said the first time. It makes it impossible to have a conversation and even harder to understand what you are talking about. - Galatz^Talk 02:45, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@BusriderSF2015: I can remove my own comments and remove myself from this thread, don't do that again. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 02:52, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Just to qualify your comment, since he doesn't understand how these things work. You removed your own comment BEFORE anyone else commented. This should be qualified because he likes to go back and randomly delete his own comments once they are proven incorrect and hurt his credibility. See here as an example, which I undid. - Galatz^Talk 04:00, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@Galatz:Its all in your head, i am just a Wikapedia Editor not acting a leader of everything and look my contributions on other Wikipedia pages, you got a problem change it.

@WarMachineWildThing: I commented right away..

@NeilN: It is what is.

I've went ahead and restored the time of two seconds. The onus is on you now, Galatz, if you believe this isn't a typographical error. Find another reliable source that says twenty seconds and we can discuss this. We don't willingly mislead readers for the simple fact a 'reliable source said so.' It's very plain to see by the many sources that reported only the Rumble that his time is close or near Santino Marella's record time, and that twenty seconds is not only inaccurate, but that WWE's website made an error. Reliable sources can and will make mistakes, but use your brain and good judgment and don't insert blatant inaccuracies. Regards, — Moe Epsilon 09:02, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Your edit says WWE.com's website made a typo. That is the exact definition of WP:OR. You may think its inaccurate but to say that as a matter of fact is 100% a violation of wikipedia's policy. - Galatz^Talk 17:30, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

No, I'm ignoring all rules and applying WP:COMMONSENSE which you seem to be failing at. Do you have a reference saying he was in the ring for twenty seconds besides WWE, because the rest of the internet seems to believe two seconds and have lambasted WWE's time of twenty seconds themselves. You're making a mockery of this site. I've asked you three times now for something else verifying his time and you've failed to reply. Regards, — Moe Epsilon 17:36, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Right now I am talking solely about the wording you used. I think the proper thing to do at this point is to just come up with proposed wording, and get a !vote on what should be the presentation. Your wording choice is a violation of WP:OR. The same idea could be portrayed by saying "Although WWE official record states 20 seconds, they have otherwise stated 2 seconds." This would be completely factual based on not have any OR. - Galatz^Talk 17:46, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

I have put 'WWE.com's official website stated Sheamus' time to be 20 seconds, but they have otherwise stated 2 seconds.' Is that fine? It corrects any issue with "OR" you have. At any rate, of sites considered reliable and other (as unverified but still used on Wikipedia) by WP:PW/RS, 411Mania reported: "WWE has Sheamus listed at two seconds spent in the match, which ties the Warlord for the second-quickest exit from a Royal Rumble.". Pro Wrestling History, which maintains statistics for the Royal Rumble and is used frequently to cite information for older Rumbles, also lists him as two seconds. WWE themselves have commented and said two seconds, posted a video of Slater almost breaking a record, and Sheamus himself asking on Twitter whose elimination was faster, his or Santino's. Other websites Wikipedia considers unreliable, who accurately reported the times nonetheless, all pointed out WWE's typo. This all adds up to WWE making an error on their website. Regards, — Moe Epsilon 17:55, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Galatz said "it sounds like you need consensus, since the majority disagrees with you" https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Royal_Rumble_(2018)&oldid=825824570 : Done Yes the Majority are the people putting the 0:02 back on the Chart cause is correct (even with meaningful sources were provided), but the Minority are the people reverting back to the incorrect 0:20 time and forcing editors to reorganize the 0:20 as the reliable correct information. Nevertheless, this largest talk page will never happen if the article Royal Rumble 2018 for Sheamus time remained at 0:02. BusriderSF2015 20:24, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

I suggest you learn how you gain consensus on wikipedia before you make comments saying it was received. I see no !vote. - Galatz^Talk 00:09, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Let's start a !vote then. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Galatz you want start questioning users contribution on their Wikipedia pages edits. Well i going start questioning your contributions on your Wikipedia pages you edit when i find. BusriderSF2015 (talk) 7:49PM, 15 February 2018 (PT)

!vote

Per Galatz's request, put your !votes below. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NotTheFakeJTP (talk • contribs)

This discussion is painful to read. Can we all agree that every editor participating here is acting in good faith and wants the article to reflect the correct information? If so, simple question: Does any editor believe 20 seconds is not a simple typographical error and is in fact the correct time? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 03:53, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

 Done I am out this talk page, because current version of the Royal Rumble 2018 Wikipedia page is good enough unless someone revert, i will come back here.

BusriderSF2015 (talk) 7:49PM, 15 February 2018 (PT)

@NotTheFakeJTP: My issue is that I do not know. I am a little uncomfortable using one source for everything except one item. I have asked several times and no one has produced a RS that shows an entire chart of times that includes Sheamus as 2 seconds. My fear with just saying yes its a typo is there can easily be 2 different ways of looking at the same thing. He could have been in the ring for 2 seconds (counted from when he crossed the bottom rope), yet been in the match for 20 seconds (started at a different point in time). They could be using different criteria for different things to tell a different story (it is professional wrestling and they are all about story telling after all). If we had a RS that showed everyone else's times being identical to the WWE's times, EXCEPT for Sheamus that is one thing, but without that I don't know. Therefore in my opinion, we need to have a single source the we know uses identical criteria for each person (be that the current one or a different one, but we need to be consistent).

As an example, cagematch is considered a RS. Choosing someone at random I looked at John Cena. He entered the Royal Rumble at number 20 which would be the 27 minute mark (18*1.5=27). The article currently says he was in the match for 29:14. Simple match tells me 27+29:14 would be 56:14 into the match. Looking here however he was eliminated at 57:45. Unless it took him 91 seconds to reach one criteria over the other, we have a discrepancy here too. Sheamus using the same logic came in at 13:30 (9*1.5). That same source has him eliminated at 16:55. Do we have something that makes up this 3:25 difference?

As you can see, my point is, there is just too many variables to pick and chose between the different sources. Without analyzing the criteria each other is using (which would then become WP:OR), we dont know if we are forcing the article to mix criteria in the chart. - Galatz^Talk 04:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

"My fear with just saying yes its a typo is there can easily be 2 different ways of looking at the same thing." One thing that you're ignoring Galatz is that WWE (an RS) themselves on Raw said that Sheamus was only in the match for 2 seconds, and the night of the Rumble, they did an interview with Heath Slater about his elimination of Sheamus nearly breaking Santino's record. The only source of theirs that says 20 seconds is the source that you're defending. As to the vote, and although it's already been changed on the page, I vote Yes to changing it to 2 seconds with a note clarifying this. --JDC808 ♫ 18:01, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

The source in the article from Raw says "where his epic slog to the ring ended in a two-second elimination of the mighty " It does not say criteria. Again why can your find a different RS that confirms everything is on the same method? Look at the discrepancy I showed about you have ignored. - Galatz^Talk 19:13, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Revised table

Men's Royal Rumble match entrances and eliminations   – Raw   – SmackDown   – NXT   – Free agent   – Winner Draw Entrant Brand Order Eliminated by Time Elimination(s) 1 Rusev SmackDown 12 Bray Wyatt & Matt Hardy 30:28 0 2 Finn Bálor Raw 27 John Cena 57:38 4 3 Rhyno Raw 1 Baron Corbin 02:06 0 4 Baron Corbin SmackDown 2 Finn Bálor 01:06 1 5 Heath Slater Raw 4 Bray Wyatt 00:33** 1 6 Elias Raw 15 John Cena 26:00 0 7 Andrade "Cien" Almas NXT 18 Randy Orton 29:24 1 8 Bray Wyatt Raw 13 Matt Hardy 20:38 3 9 Big E SmackDown 8 Jinder Mahal 14:14 0 10 Sami Zayn* SmackDown 5 Shinsuke Nakamura 06:57 0 11 Sheamus Raw 3 Heath Slater 00:02*** 0 12 Xavier Woods SmackDown 7 Jinder Mahal 08:24 0 13 Apollo Crews Raw 6 Cesaro 05:16 0 14 Shinsuke Nakamura SmackDown — Winner 44:38 3 15 Cesaro Raw 9 Seth Rollins 05:08 1 16 Kofi Kingston SmackDown 11 Andrade "Cien" Almas 05:41 1 17 Jinder Mahal SmackDown 10 Kofi Kingston 03:48 2 18 Seth Rollins Raw 22 Roman Reigns 22:01 2 19 Matt Hardy Raw 14 Bray Wyatt 01:17 2 20 John Cena Free agent 28 Shinsuke Nakamura 29:14 3 21 The Hurricane Free agent 16 John Cena 00:45 0 22 Aiden English SmackDown 17 Finn Bálor 02:16 0 23 Adam Cole NXT 19 Rey Mysterio 06:52 0 24 Randy Orton SmackDown 25 Roman Reigns 13:55 1 25 Titus O'Neil Raw 20 Roman Reigns 06:07 0 26 The Miz Raw 21 Roman Reigns & Seth Rollins 05:20 0 27 Rey Mysterio Free agent 26 Finn Bálor 09:39 1 28 Roman Reigns Raw 29 Shinsuke Nakamura 21:52 4 29 Goldust Raw 23 Dolph Ziggler 02:43 0 30 Dolph Ziggler SmackDown 24 Finn Bálor 02:01 1 (*) - Tye Dillinger was announced as the #10 entrant, but was attacked backstage by Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn, resulting in Zayn taking his spot. (**) - Heath Slater spent significant time outside of the ring before officially entering the Rumble, due to being attacked by Baron Corbin and other Superstars. (***) - Although WWE recognized as 20 seconds, the actual time is 2 seconds. References

Apollo Crews

Should the name for "Apollo Crews " in the Royal Rumble 2018 chart be changed to Apollo due his recent name change cause of name drop fro him being almost same as the recent shooting a Parkland,FA school

BusriderSF2015 (talk) 8:12PM, 20 February 2018 (PT)

No, he was not Apollo was his name during the event. Also thos are rumors as to why, the post itself even refers to it as a rumor. - Galatz^Talk 14:33, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

References

"Woken" Matt Hardy and protected article edit request

Both the WWE.com page cited for this article and WWE.com page state that Matt Hardy was eliminated by Bray Wyatt. This article states in error that Matt Hardy eliminated himself. Can someone fix that please? Thanks. Tigerpaw28 (talk) 01:41, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2019

Add an oxford comma to the Brock Lesnar defeated Kane and Braun Strowman match result, adding a comma after Kane to get the formatting in line with all other matches/cards Zirekyle (talk) 15:10, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: oxford commas are used in lists of three or more. Kane and Strowman make two, so a comma is not required. NiciVampireHeart 17:25, 19 June 2019 (UTC)