Talk:Ronald Reagan and AIDS

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Reagan first acknowledges AIDS, beginning at the 7:12 mark.

... that despite AIDS being identified and causing thousands of deaths since 1981, President Ronald Reagan did not publicly acknowledge AIDS until 1985 (first public mention of AIDS pictured)? Source: 1, 2, 3, 4 (to bolster date claims), 5 (to bolster death count claims, page 5)
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Moved to mainspace by Wasianpower (talk).

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🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - History.com is not a reliable source
Neutral: - "However, it is debated to what extent Reagan himself took to these views or how much they directly affected his response to the AIDS crisis." weasel wording and it's not clear what part of the article they're summarizing.
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

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Clear at 100px: - Not when the key moment is 7 minutes into the video

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Overall: Thanks for writing this article (t · c) buidhe 04:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Buidhe! Article has been updated with history.com source removed and wording in lede adjusted to make it more clear which part of the article it's referring to. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Kirchick cites the different government reactions as a reason why during the 1980s the rate of HIV infection in the Great Britain was just 10 percent of that in the United States" This sentence may still need work. I can't see the full context or what source he cites, but I looked it up and ran the numbers for 1989, at which point the number of infections was 20 times larger in the US which also has 6x greater population. That does point to a substantial difference but doesn't support Kirchick's argument. I would prefer to cite epidemiologists for claims about the causes of different prevalence rates.

Stand-alone "defense" and "criticism" is typically integrated into one reception section, maybe put the defense last since the criticism section sums up the overall view.

"In 2015, following the release of the short film When AIDS Was Funny, renewed criticism from progressive media ..." I don't see where the sources discuss progressive media. If they are being cited as examples of progressive media, this paragraph likely falls foul of WP:NOR (and UNDUE).

"However, it is controversial whether Reagan himself could be considered homophobic, or if his personal views on homosexuality affected his AIDS response." part 1 is a false dichotomy, part 2 is unprovable (and I'm not seeing anywhere the opposite argument is made). The ultimate controversy/criticism is not about what Reagan believed but what he did, the article should reflect the bulk of the legacy section.

"Timeline of the Reagan administration's AIDS response" If you keep this section everything needs an inline citation. (t · c) buidhe 17:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kirchick's source for the one-tenth figure is The Age of Reagan by Wilentz, I don't have access to this book though. The other issues have been addressed. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 19:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For now I've gone ahead and changed the 10 percent figure to a more general figure that is still in line with what Kirchick wrote, and also in line with your analysis. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 12:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, the hook + article probably meet the requirements now but I'm not sure if the video does. (t · c) buidhe 17:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback from New Page Review process[edit]

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Very nice page! Thank you for the great work :)

Broc (talk) 07:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NFCC[edit]

Consider including this image as wp:NFCC (higher resolution versions are available via google images) (t · c) buidhe 03:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

William A. Percy source[edit]

Discussion on the William Percy source which was removed. I'm also a little unclear on this source, but I included it after I found it referenced throughout many pages on the topic including LGBT history in the United States and LGBT movements. It seems pretty clear based on the William A. Percy article that this was in fact his personal website. I'm fine with this source being gone, it's borderline IMO, but I wanted to start a discussion on it anyway in case it needs to be removed from other pages. I am fairly certain based on a little digging the passage originates from this text: https://www.routledge.com/Before-Stonewall-Activists-for-Gay-and-Lesbian-Rights-in-Historical-Context/Bullough/p/book/9781560231936 though I have thus far been unable to find a copy of the text. I think based on WP:SPS that as long as it is uncontroversial that this is in fact Percy's website, this should be a fine source as he was a respected subject matter expert. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 16:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources which say this is Percy's website: 1 2

The articles from the website also appear to have been used in published texts: 1 2 3 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]