Talk:Roman Catholic Diocese of Meaux

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Lead material[edit]

The Lead containes a good deal of biographical and political detail on the current bishop and his predecessor. This is not appropriate to a summary, which a Lead is supposed to be. The detail should be moved to some other appropriate spot, and integrated with the rest of the article. And, by the way, the material is unsourced and overloaded with Wiki-links. --Vicedomino (talk) 11:57, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Moved it to the 'Bishops' Section. --Vicedomino (talk) 22:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Local Saints[edit]

The section is unreferenced. A check of the wiki-linked articles does not seem to turn up evidence of these characters being 'specially venerated' in the diocese of Meaux. Most of them seem to be founders of monasteries, and thus naturally the object of some adulation after their deaths in those monasteries. But the title 'saint' is too loosely and uncritically tossed about. Some evidence, by way of references, has to be given, or else they should be deleted. --Vicedomino (talk) 17:35, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

After six months without comment or efforts to fix, I have removed the following:

Local saints[edit]

A number of saints are found in the traditions of the diocese of Meaux:

  • St. Autharius, a relative of St. Faro, who received St. Columbanus in his domain at Ussy-sur-Marne, and father of Blessed Ado, who founded about 630 the two monasteries of Jouarre, and of St. Ouen who founded the monastery of Rebais in 634 and subsequently became Bishop of Rouen;
  • The anchorite St. Féfre or Fiacre, and the missionary St. Chillen, both Irishmen, contemporaries of St. Faro (first half of the seventh century);
  • St. Aile (Agilus), monk of Luxeuil who became in 634 the first Abbot of Rebais;
  • St. Telchilde, died about 660, first Abbess of Jouarre;
  • St. Aguilberte, second Abbess of Jouarre, a sister of St. Ebrigisilus (end of seventh century);
  • St. Bathilde, wife of Clovis II, foundress of the abbey of Chelles, died in 680;
  • St. Bertille, first Abbess of Chelles, and St. Etheria, first Abbess of Notre-Dame of Soissons (658), both of them pupils at the abbey of Jouarre;
  • St. Vincent Madelgaire (or Mauger), founder of the monasteries of Haumont and Soignies;
  • His wife, St. Waldetrude, foundress of the monastery of Mons;
  • St. Aldegonde, sister of St. Waldetrude, first Abbess of Maubeuge;
  • St. Landry, Abbot of Soignies, claimed by some as a Bishop of Meaux;
  • St. Adeltrude and St. Malberte, nuns of Maubeuge, the last three being children of St. Vincent Madelgaire and St. Waldetrude (seventh century).
The deficiences previously noted (no references, no effort to connect names with diocesan matters) still apply.
--Vicedomino (talk) 00:21, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pilgrimages[edit]

I looked at the Diocese's website. The only pilgrimages they are promoting is one to Lourdes, which is not mentioned in the list in this article, and one to Rome. What is the purpose of the list of pilgrimages? Are they current, or just historical? Are they really 'notable'? Can't the list be incorporated into the text as a statement that the diocese had several pilgrimage sites, and then provide a reference to the Catholic Encyclopedia, which is the source of the material anyway (and as a set of sentences, not as a list)? I note in passing that there is no documentation at all in the article. --Vicedomino (talk) 21:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

After 2 1/2/ years, without comment or effort to fix, I have removed the following:

Pilgrimages

The principal pilgrimages of the diocese are:

  • Notre Dame de Lagny, dating from 1128;
  • Notre Dame du Chêne de Preuilly, dating from the foundation of the Cistercian Abbey (1118);
  • Notre Dame du Chêne at Crouy-sur-Ourcq, dating from the beginning of the seventeenth century;
  • Notre Dame de Bon Secours near Fontainebleau (the pilgrimage was established in 1661 by d'Auberon, an officer of the great Condé);
  • Notre Dame de la Cave at Champigny;
  • Notre Dame de Pitié at Verdelot;
  • Notre Dame de Melun at Melun;
  • Notre Dame du Puy at Sigy. The head of St. Veronica at Pomponne has long been the object of a pilgrimage, greatly furthered by the Jesuits in 1670;
  • The cloak (chape) of St. Martin of which a large portion is preserved at Bussy-St-Martin, also attracts pilgrims.

Removed flag of French Republic from Infobox, per WP:ICON.[edit]

I removed the French Republic flag icon from the Infobox, in accordance with several sections of WP:ICON; specifically (quoting),

  • "Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes, even when there is a "country", "nationality" or equivalent field: they are unnecessarily distracting and give undue prominence to one field among many...."
  • "Flags make simple, blunt statements about nationality, while words can express the facts with more complexity."
  • "Do not rewrite history. Flags should not be used to misrepresent the nationality of a historical figure [including some bishops], event, object, etc. Political boundaries change, often over the span of a biographical article subject's lifetime. Where ambiguity or confusion could result, it is better not to use a flag at all, and where one is genuinely needed, use the historically accurate flag."

--Vicedomino (talk) 06:09, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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