Talk:Rochdale Cenotaph

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Rochdale Cenotaph was one of the most ambitious of Sir Edwin Lutyens' war memorials to come to fruition?

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Comment[edit]

Very good. Can you clarify that Historic England is government sponsored, somehow. Ceoil (talk) 00:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar query[edit]

Not always my strongest suit but the first para. of the lede refers to "a recumbent effigy of a soldier". I wonder if, in fact, it is "an effigy of a recumbent soldier"? Or doesn't it make any difference? Once, I'd have asked Tim. KJP1 (talk) 17:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Department Human services[edit]

Snap lower my benefits after agreement that I didn't go to my hearing Mrs trend up my stamps in January to 174.00 dollars and now I get A letter saying that my stamps will go back down to 75.00 dollars

Rochelle owens (talk) 16:14, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Galleries[edit]

I added a gallery for design elements, with this edit:

Detail of parts of the memorial
Northeast flags and carved wreath enclosing the arms of Rochdale
Sculpture on top of the memorial
Southwest flags and carved wreath enclosing the arms of Rochdale

I was less sure about the following two gallery additions, so am suggesting them here.

Views of each side of the memorial
View from northeast towards the River Roch
View from southwest towards Rochdale Post Office
View from southeast towards the memorial gardens
View from northwest towards Rochdale Town Hall

The northeast view is also towards the police station, but you can't really see that. The southeast view towards the memorial gardens includes College Bank housing estate. Might be worth mentioning that, as those were erected later and are part of the changing surrounds of the memorial, which brings me to these four pictures:

Historical views of the memorial and surrounds
Memorial and surrounds in 1951
Memorial and surrounds in 1968
Memorial and surrounds in 1975
Memorial and surround in 1996

It is difficult to write about such changes over time without sources that go into detail on this. If a picture from early on comes up (there is a nice one of the unveiling around, which should in theory be public domain), it might be worth it. Am also not 100% on the licensing and provenance of those images, so holding off on using them in the article. If there is enough associated text, such images can be used outside galleries to illustrate the main body of the article. Carcharoth (talk) 16:20, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

News reports[edit]

There are two very brief news reports in The Times and The Illustrated London News:

(1) The Times Monday, Nov 27, 1922; pg. 7; Issue 43199. The unveiling is reported under the heading 'Lord Derby at Rochdale':
In unveiling a town war memorial at Rochdale yesterday, Lord Derby emphasized the necessity for avoiding war. He said: To have any real value, the memorial must be regarded as erected for two purposes - one in memory of those Rochdalians who died for King and country; the other, to teach succeeding generations what war really meant. If this lesson was once learned it was certain people would then avoid any future war by every honourable means.
(2) The Illustrated London News Saturday, December 02, 1922; pg. 884; Issue [4363]. Photo of memorial after the unveiling, but not a very good one.

Carcharoth (talk) 18:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lamp posts[edit]

Putting here, some cropped photos of the lamp posts before and after the restoration described here.

Memorial and the lamp posts in 1968 (before they lost their heads)
Lamp post in 2013 prior to restoration
Restored lamp post in 2017

Not quite sure what to make of that restoration job. Carcharoth (talk) 03:05, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Historic England listing. Carcharoth (talk) 00:43, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Defacement[edit]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24670349/rochdale-cenotaph-teens-charged-racially-aggravated-criminal-damage/ The memorial was just defaced. Should this go in the History section? SirShaunIV (talk) 19:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Probably. I've been meaning to track down a reliable source. The Sun is not usable on Wikipedia. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:15, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]