Talk:Rishi Sunak/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

No information on his premiership in the lead yet

We're almost a month into his premiership, and this article's lead does not mention anything about Sunak's actual premiership thus far, just that he won the October leadership election unopposed and was the first PM to be appointed by Charles. 92.15.144.174 (talk) 09:07, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Why would it? This article is about the person, not his government. The section on his premiership is a brief summary with a link to the main article on the subject. Bazza (talk) 09:48, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 November 2022

The IPA for his first name is "riʃi" not "ˈrɪʃi", please change it. Please see the Rishi article to understand.-Gabbar13 (talk) 02:07, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The article you refer to doesn't seem to mention pronunciation. Actualcpscm (talk) 18:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Infobox Image

Since there is a lot of debate and back-and-forth editing on the infobox image because an official portrait of Sunak as PM hasn't been released yet, I think it's time to make a consensus on the image to use in his infobox.

In my opinion, the first image, is the best option because it was his last official image and the lighting is is a lot better than the 2020 portrait as chancellor, especially the texturing on the photo, which looks a superior on the 2018 one.

• Sunak's last official portrait, 2018.
  Sunak's last official portrait, 2018.
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  Sunak as Chancellor, 2020. Note: half of his face is not visible because of the lighting.
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  Newest image, One of Sunak's only images when PM, 2022.
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  Sunak's first official portrait, 2017

• Image 3—I agree with the third image. Compusolus (talk) 08:10, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
• Image 2—This is the official image used on his .gov.uk profile from may 2020 ([1]) until his resignation on July 5 2022 ([2]). This is why I would strongly oppose Image 1 because it isn't his last official portrait. I also oppose it on aesthetic grounds as the background of image 1 is much to busy for my liking, and doesn't look as professional as image 2. I'm pretty neutral on image 3 (as I'm the person who uploaded image 3 to commons I may have some bias). It is the image currently used on .gov.uk profile ([3]) but unlike the other 2 it isn't a professionally posed portrait.
• Image 2, most recent official, professional portrait to date, used on Rishi Sunak's first speech as Prime Minister: 25 October 2022 - GOV.UK. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:14, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

• Image 3—There will be an official PM portrait of Rishi that will be used as the infobox photo soon enough, so until then, makes sense to stick with the current photo we have of Rishi in action as the PM.--92.15.144.174 (talk) 23:26, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
• Image 3—I agree with Compusolus, it's the only one of him as PM (doesn't matter that it isn't the official portrait because one doesn't exist yet). Also part of the image used by the UK government as placeholder pending the official portrait. GhulamIslam (talk) 23:40, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
• Image 2 Regardless of the shadows, this is a solid professional photo. Image 3 isn't terrible, but it's not quite as good as 2. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, image 2 isn't a portrait either, it's a screenshot from a film he made as chancellor. The UK gov. website used to use it but switched to image 3 when he became PM. GhulamIslam (talk) 03:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

It is not a screenshot, it's a Canon EOS 5D Mark IV photograph (see metadata). ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

• Image 3 I am satisfied by the reasons put forth by GhulamIslam and second him. User4edits (talk) 10:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
• Image 3 Per above, it's the image used on the government website. Khronicle I (talk) 11:12, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
• Image 2 Looks professional, more so than the others. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 17:40, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
• Image 3, per others { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 17:51, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
• Image 3 More recent. Taken when PM. Nice lighting. If you've seen many shots of Rishi, Image 2 just looks a bit weird. That's why everyone's complaining. Image 1 is too old. Let's put Image 3 up, until they release something better officially. Thanks Billyshiverstick (talk) 02:40, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
• Image 2 At least until an official portrait comes out. While I agree Image 3 is better in theory, it's just not the best pic of Sunak as PM, mics are a bit distracting and the image just does not look very portrait-like as image 2. --2601:249:8E00:420:101C:6460:D911:CBED (talk) 16:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
• Image 2 I was making my rounds checking to see if an official portrait was finally uploaded and wasn’t too keen on seeing the current image. While I agree an image of Sunak as PM would be better, there’s just not a good one at the moment. Image 2 will make do until an official portrait is uploaded TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:17, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
• Image 2 This image is the most professional looking I think and it's not too old.--Llewee (talk) 10:42, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
• Image 2 – most professional, clean looking. Not too old either. Corky 19:54, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 November 2022

Under the July-September 2022 leadership election sub-heading, I’m requesting that the statement “Sunak returned to the backbenches” is changed to “Sunak remained on the backbenches”.

Rishi Sunak was not in government throughout the entirety of his summer leadership bid having resigned on 5 July so stating he left the government by ‘returning to the backbenches’ in September is inaccurate. Nutfield001 (talk) 00:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I cut the line. EddieHugh (talk) 17:46, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Caste

He is a Hindu, so his caste should be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.85.207.188 (talk) 04:23, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, see but also see . His close relatives from his mother's side state that the Sunaks are Brahmin: . Malaiya (talk) 08:29, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Grammatical Error

This article is marked as "extended-protected" so I was unable to edit it myself, but on paragraph 3, last line, it mentions that "was rejected by Parliament three times three times" FruitPanda74 (talk) 18:48, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 December 2022

Change ‘authorized’ to ‘authorised’ in the final sentence of the lede, per British English. Sentence seems to have just been carelessly copied from Joe Biden. Asperthrow (talk) 07:11, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done Thank you very much! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 13:58, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 December 2022

his og grandma name is chatri i think and maternal grandma sraksha 100.19.78.9 (talk) 19:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:36, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

"Sunak took office amid the cost of living crisis and energy supply crisis that began during his Chancellorship."

Does the word chancellorship need to be categorised in this sentence? It says "Sunak took office amid the cost of living crisis and energy supply crisis that began during his chancellorship." 79.66.92.93 (talk) 14:41, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Sunak promising new laws to stop illegal migration and 'spurious' appeals

In this video, Sunak promised to bring in new laws to tackle illegal immigration, saying anyone who comes to the UK illegally will not be allowed to stay. This seems like a notable thing to mention in this article: [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X271I4j5aHo&ab_channel=SkyNews 79.66.92.93 (talk) 14:57, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

You're confusing Rishi Sunak, the person and subject of this article, with Premiership of Rishi Sunak. Bazza (talk) 15:00, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

I've since added mention of these new laws on that article. --79.66.92.93 (talk) 15:26, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Local Government is a junior ministerial position as opposed to a main one

Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Local Government is a junior ministerial position as opposed to a main one, unlike Sunak's two prior government roles before becoming PM (Chief Secretary and Chancellor). Can this be clarified in the infobox please? 92.15.148.117 (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 January 2023

Rishi Sunak is of the World Economic Forum, but article does not reference his association with them, all reference to this is missing. https://www.weforum.org/people/rishi-sunak Unknownson (talk) 09:51, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ℰmi1y_⧼T·C⧽ 08:41, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

"Angela Rayner and Daisy Cooper said that..."

Do we really need to have dozens of these opposition quotes on this article? This is an article about Rishi Sunak, it is not Angela Rayner and Daisy Cooper's Twitter feed. 92.15.148.117 (talk) 10:11, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

RfC Infobox image

I am aware that there was a discussion over the infobox image, but looking at archive 2, there wasn't a clear consensus + there has been other possible images that have recently been uploaded that could be a better lead image. I think this should be where we gain a definitive consensus until an official portrait has been uploaded.

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  Option A
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  Option B
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  Option C
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  Option D
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  Option E
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  Option F
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  Option G
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  Option H
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  Option I

• Option E or G (cropping needed) I feel that E is the best resolution with nothing distracting such as a mic in the picture. I feel that if option G were to be cropped to focus on Sunak, that image would also be a good picture. 38.106.246.207 (talk) 16:44, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Option E gets my vote, as the highest quality image here. --79.66.92.93 (talk) 14:35, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment (Option H?) I think that we should use his most recent official portrait from before his premiership, as was done on Liz Truss's article before her current official portrait was uploaded. I recently uploaded his official cabinet portrait from September 2021 and I think this should be used as this is, to my knowledge, the most recent official portrait of him available. Otherwise, I think Option C should be used as that was also used as an official portrait on his GOV.UK page and is therefore the second most recent available.ThatRandomGuy1 (talk) 18:25, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Option E Best high quality image of a photo during his time as PM. Option G is not bad either. --2601:249:8E00:420:9C1:7CFE:3D67:9383 (talk) 20:25, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
• Option C Highest quality photo from his time in government. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 10:15, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
• Option A I don't see a good reason to change it, given that it's part of the image used by the UK government. There's also no consensus for option G. GhulamIslam (talk) 02:54, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
• Option A No reason to change it, it is what the UK government is using. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 03:26, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
• Option H Best one to use until an official one comes along. It is his most recent official portrait. --92.15.148.117 (talk) 13:50, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
• Option A Is fine for now, unless a newer and better photo becomes available. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:42, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
• Option A; official status, looks formal, appropriate setting for PM, good contrast. Dronebogus (talk) 16:45, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Infobox image

Why was the infobox image changed without a clear consensus beforehand? 92.15.148.117 (talk) 12:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

There was no consensus for the current image, it should be changed back to the one of Sunak outside Downing Street until a consensus is reached. --92.15.148.117 (talk) 12:29, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I was the editor that switched the images. At the time I changed it, Option G had a plurality of votes in the RfC above. There was, however marginal, a consensus for it. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 17:05, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Can his official chancellorship portrait be added to the article?

Can his official chancellorship portrait be added to the article? 92.15.148.117 (talk) 15:58, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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  Sunak's official portrait during his chancellorship
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  Part of the image used by GOV.UK of Sunak as PM

Well, I'd take it over the current image that no one agreed on, but the most proper image would be the one used on the UK government website taken during his first speech as PM. GhulamIslam (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I should clarify that I wasn't referring to the infobox, I meant adding it to the section of the article discussing his chancellorship. Like how Gordon Brown's chancellorship portrait is in the section discussing his chancellorship. Should be the same for Rishi as well.

As far as the infobox image choice is concerned, I agree that the one outside Downing Street is the best choice as it is the one being used on the UK government website. --92.15.148.117 (talk) 12:33, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

It’s also a better contrast for his face. Dronebogus (talk) 16:43, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

As for chancellorship portraits, I'd say that this should be used, as the UK government used it during his chancellorship, rather than the official photograph taken whilst he was chancellor but not used. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 17:37, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Good point, by all means feel free to change it on the chancellorship article. --92.15.148.117 (talk) 08:07, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Belt up, Sunak

"Lancashire Police are "looking into" Rishi Sunak after he was filmed not wearing a seat belt while a passenger in a moving car. The prime minister has apologised for the incident, saying it was an "error of judgement" to take his seat belt off to film a social media clip. Not wearing a seat belt carries a maximum £500 fine." - see BBC News. 86.187.234.189 (talk) 22:26, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

What about it? Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:15, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

This has been very widely reported and seen on social media. Doesn't it matter that a prime minister breaks the law? I seem to remember there was quite a fuss about this with a previous prime minister and all that Partygate stuff? Perhaps all Sunak has to do is say "sorry" and he can avoid a criminal conviction? Then we all forget it ever happened. Just like with Boris. 86.187.234.132 (talk) 19:39, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

That paragraph needs a link to Seat belt legislation#United Kingdom. 86.187.234.132 (talk) 19:45, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

But it isn't notable. It's not remotely what Sunak is known for. It is a complete flash in the pan. It was over before it had begun; it is a non-event. It is WP:RECENTISM. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 20:49, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

It's all over?? Ah yeah, right. Front page of BBC News tonight: [5]? And I think it might just appear on BBC News at Ten later tonight. Ah but, yeah, it's a " non-event", isn't it. If you say so. It never really happened did it. "It's not remotely what Sunak is known for"? It is now. 86.187.234.124 (talk) 21:09, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

It is not what Sunak is known for. This "scandal" is over. Again, pure WP:RECENTISM. We are not a newspaper. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 21:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

It's not a "scandal", it's a simple fact. He's got a criminal record. Only the second British PM ever. But another Tory. 86.187.234.124 (talk) 21:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

No, he does not have a "criminal record". Wikipedia itself says "a fixed penalty notice is not a fine or criminal conviction because of the distinction that the recipient can opt for the matter to be dealt with in court instead of paying." Also, what does him being a conservative have anything to do with this? Tim O'Doherty (talk) 21:17, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Both he and Boris now have criminal records. Perhaps a pattern is emerging. But of course, just because it's all over the news, doesn't mean it's notable does it. Let's just tidy it away and pretend it never happened. Le Parisienne, Cadena SER, CNN, The West Australian, etc. etc. 86.187.234.124 (talk) 21:30, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

We are not a newspaper. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 21:31, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

It never happened. It's a "non-event". lol 86.187.234.124 (talk) 21:33, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

I have never said it didn't happen. It is just not encyclopaedia material. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 21:35, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Tory Prime Ministers don't break the law, do they. It's not the done thing. 86.187.234.124 (talk) 21:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Why are you specifying the "Tory" prime ministers? What does this have to do with anything? Tim O'Doherty (talk) 21:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Reuters, Arab News, Taiwan News, etc. etc. Second main news item on BBC News at Ten now. 86.187.234.124 (talk) 22:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

That doesn't mean anything. We are not a newspaper. "Not all verifiable events are suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia...Wikipedia should not offer first-hand news reports on breaking stories. Wikipedia does not constitute a primary source." If the seatbelt incident grows to be any bigger, fine. But as it stands, there is no reason for such a recentism. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

In any case, should the seatbelt incident really be included under the section about his Premiership? Does him not wearing a seatbelt have anything to do with his ability to govern? Would it not make more sense to put it under the public image section? Estar8806 (talk) 21:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2023

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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After article says "Rishi Sunak (/ˈrɪʃi ˈsuːnæk/ (listen);[1] born 12 May 1980) is a British politician", add "and serial lawbreaker", due to his second FPN in nine months. 129.67.111.33 (talk) 22:48, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

For what reason? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.111.33 (talk) 23:00, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2023 (2)

In the sentence "At both hedge funds, his boss was Patrick Degorce." the comma is unnecessary so I suggest it's removed. 129.67.111.33 (talk) 23:34, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: I think it reads better with the comma, personally. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 03:10, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Mr. Sunak isn't the first British Asian PM.

Robert Banks Jenkinson was in fact the first British Prime Minister of Asian descent. Therefore, it should be said that Rishi is actually the second British Asian PM.6 NorfolkIsland123 (talk) 22:52, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

@NorfolkIsland123: There was a helpful footnote after "first British Asian" that addressed this but it's since been removed, it read:

While Sunak is the first prime minister of British Asian ethnicity, several prime ministers have been noted to have Asian ancestry. Benjamin Disraeli came from a diverse European Jewish background, a community with historic roots in Asia. Boris Johnson's great-grandfather Ali Kemal Bey was Turkish. Lord Liverpool's great-grandmother Isabella Beizor was of partial Indian heritage. GhulamIslam (talk) 19:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 February 2023

He is a Indian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.43.248.246 (talk) 15:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cakelot1 (talk) 17:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Sunak at PMQs

Sunak's PMQs performances have been a frequent topic of discussion (e.g. his frequent mention of "the member for Islington North" during debates with Keir Starmer). Does a mention of Sunak's PMQs performances belong better here or on the article Premiership of Rishi Sunak? 79.66.89.173 (talk) 10:26, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

This article is not Angela Rayner or Daisy Cooper's Twitter feed

The following sentence needs to be removed;

"Labour's Angela Rayner maintained Sunak was weak and chose Raab as deputy Prime Minister despite knowing Raab's reputation. She wanted Raab suspended pending the result of the investigation. Liberal Democrat Daisy Cooper wanted Sunak to make Raab step down during the investigation and promise Raab would not be reappointed if complaints were upheld"

This article is about Rishi Sunak, the person. It is not Angela Rayner or Daisy Cooper's Twitter feed. It has no relevance to Sunak and the way its worded (e.g. "maintained Sunak was weak") presents their comments as factual when they are not. Of course opposition parties are going to oppose/criticise, so Rayner and Cooper's comments would fit more on their articles rather than here. For these aforementioned reasons, the sentence should be removed. 79.66.89.173 (talk) 17:35, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I've pruned that section back to an overview; a link to the section's main article is under the heading. Bazza (talk) 18:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Looks a lot better now. --79.66.89.173 (talk) 10:27, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Add Greg Hands in the infobox

He is the new Conservative Party Chairman. 79.66.89.173 (talk) 17:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

That's off-topic. What has the conservative party's chairman got to do with the article about Rishi Sunak? Bazza (talk) 18:09, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Good point. --79.66.89.173 (talk) 10:28, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

"In January 2023 an Ipsos poll found Keir Starmer was ahead of Sunak about who the public thought would be the better Prime Minister by 39% to 33%."

Can this sentence be removed? It has very little to do with Sunak. 79.66.89.173 (talk) 17:33, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

It should be placed in the main article on the Premiership of Rishi Sunak, not here in the article about the person. I've been bold and removed it. Bazza (talk) 18:20, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for removing it. Agree that it work better on the articles Premiership of Rishi Sunak and Labour Party leadership of Keir Starmer. --79.66.89.173 (talk) 10:28, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Main Picture of Sunak

Hello. I noticed that the main picture we have of Sunak is still the one where he gives his first speech as Prime Minister outside 10 Downing Street. I would like to request we change it to the file "Prime Minister Rishi Sunak 2023.jpg", as it looks more professional and is more recent. Prithishsrinivasan (talk) 02:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

The current photo is the result of a consensus reached about a month ago here. It might be premature to discuss a change again in such a short amount of time. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 03:14, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 February 2023

In info box section, under office3, Chancellor of the Exchequer, make successor3, Nadhim Zahawi, an internal link by adding double square brackets on both sides of his name -- Nadhim Zahawi

This is the first mention of his name in the info box area. Sdjbass (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:00, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Missing information

Sunak and his wife were in Sunday Time Rich List 2022 why isn't that info present? 103.133.201.64 (talk) 12:30, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Because nobody has added it? If you have a reliable source for it, then feel free to do so. Bazza (talk) 13:54, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

"Sunak holding a levelling up sign"

Can this picture in the public image section be replaced with this one?

It's more recent than the current photo. 79.66.89.173 (talk) 09:13, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done Tim O'Doherty (talk) 20:13, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Infobox missing Conservative Party chairmen

Other infoboxes for Conservative Party leaders (e.g. Sunak's two predecessors) have the Conservative Party chairmen listed. Why is Sunak an exception to this? 2.97.212.181 (talk) 13:18, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Liz Truss's infobox doesn't mention one, nor Boris Johnson's. Why should Rishi Sunak's? Bazza (talk) 13:28, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Apologies, got those two mixed up with other former PMs. You'll find the Labour chairmen on Tony Blair and Gordon Brown's infoboxes though, they should be removed as well. Also the Conservative chairmen are listed on Theresa May's infobox. I agree with removing the chairmen from infoboxes but it should be applied to these former PMs as well. --2.97.212.181 (talk) 21:30, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Typo on who appointed Sunak as Chief Secretary

Under 'Chief Secretary to the Treasury (2019–2020)' - it states following Johnsons appointment as prime minister that Sunak appoints himself as Chief Secretary. Needs changing to Johnson. Harryg135 (talk) 14:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 14:49, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

"Sunak and Jeremy Hunt holding a "Levelling Up" sign"

This picture description in "public image" needs a link to the Jeremy Hunt article. 2.97.212.181 (talk) 17:32, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

The Windsor Framework

This article has nothing about the Windsor Framework, a clearly notable part of his premiership. Can information about it be added to this article and to Premiership of Rishi Sunak? 2.97.212.181 (talk) 10:21, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

It should not be added to this article, which is about the person Rishi Sunak; it is already overloaded with information which ought to be elsewhere. Feel free to add properly referenced information to the premiership article if you wish, or make your request on its talk page. Bazza (talk) 10:26, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

There is information on the Windsor Framework here. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Small errors that should be fixed

There are a couple of small errors in the "early political career" section that should be fixed. I would do so but I am not extended confirmed so I cannot. For the sentence "Sunak was appointed to a junior ministerial position May's second government as Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Local Government " the word 'in' should be added between position and May.

Also, the sentence "Following Johnson's appointment as Conservative leader and prime minister, Sunak appointed him as Chief Secretary to the Treasury" needs to be reworded, as Johnson appointed Sunak to the position, not the other way around. Varoart2005 (talk) 21:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done - Thanks for pointing them out. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 21:47, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Varoart2005 (talk) 01:40, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Public image section

The following paragraph is included in the Public image section:

"On 20 January 2023, Sunak was issued a fixed penalty notice by Lancashire Police for failing to wear a seatbelt in the back of his ministerial car while filming an Instagram video to promote his government's levelling up policy. Sunak apologised for the incident, saying it was an "error of judgement"."

Is this the best place to include this information? It's not really relevant to his public image or public attitudes towards Sunak. We don't mention Boris Johnson's fixed penalty notice in his public image section, it is instead discussed in the section about his premiership. For consistency, it should be the same for Sunak. 79.66.90.227 (talk) 11:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

"This page is about an active politician who is running for office or has recently run for office, is in office and campaigning for re-election, or is involved in some current political conflict or controversy. Because of this, this article is at increased risk of biased editing, talk-page trolling, and simple vandalism."

Can this be added at the start of the talk page? It's on the talk pages for both of Sunak's predecessors. Tried adding it myself but was unsuccessful. 79.66.90.227 (talk) 12:27, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

It was previously on Sunak's talk page. But he is not running for office, has not recently run for office, and isn't campaigning for re-election whilst in office (at the moment) and isn't involved in some current political conflict or controversy. Could you please clarify why you want it added? Compusolus (talk) 12:31, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I've re-added the {{WikiProject banner shell}} which had been removed for an unknown reason (and made the header look very cluttered). It's this template that generates both the "Active politician blurb" as well as the "BLP blurb" through the "|blp=yes|activepol=yes" params. I haven't reincluded "activepol=yes" for the reasons Compusolus says above but it would be easy to re-add if desired. Cakelot1 (talk) 14:34, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for these replies, and for improving the header. Looks a lot better now! Given Sunak is not involved in a political conflict or controversy (unlike his two predecessors), I agree with your reasoning for leaving it out for now. But should a political controversy involving Sunak arise in the future, it can easily be added. --79.66.90.227 (talk) 16:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Add this picture to the chancellorship section of the article

As chancellor, Sunak was best known for being a major figure in the British government response to the COVID-19 pandemic. As such, this picture of Sunak should be included in the chancellorship section of this article as the pandemic defined Sunak's chancellorship. 79.66.90.227 (talk) 11:38, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

There's already an image of him recording a video on help for businesses during the pandemic. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 11:38, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Please provide correct information

The article has two dates as to when Sunak joined Conservative Party. At first in the Early life and education section, it says he joined during his time at university, when he did an internship at Conservative Campaign headquarter. Then again in the early political career section, it says he joined the party in 2010. Now there cannot be two dates for him to join the party, can there? So please rectify this and provide the proper date as to when he officially joined the party. Zibu Zaman (talk) 12:17, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

I can see what yo are talking about. Do you have any reliable sources as to when he joined, for certain? Compusolus (talk) 04:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I have a BBC reference on this issue but unfortunately I don't have enough edits to surpass the extended protection on this page. If you permit I will be happy to rectify this page. Ashik Rahik (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Your reversion of my addition of the Rishi Sunak video sourced by Guardian and Independent

Moved from User talk:DeFacto

Friendly greetings. My objective is to produce a better Wikipedia. I'm not looking to make enemies but I can only express astonishment at the lack of reason you provided in reverting. Could you please point to the evidence that the video has been 'trashed' I'm fully aware of WP:BLP. Thanks in advance JRPG (talk) 16:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@JRPG, lack of reasoning? Did you not see my edit summary? -- DeFacto (talk). 17:16, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

"Rock n roll Rishi" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Rock n roll Rishi has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 15 § Rock n roll Rishi until a consensus is reached. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 01:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation

The IPA and English-spelling pronunciations provided for the name (/ˈrɪʃi ˈsuːnæk/, RI-shee SOO-nak) do not match the sound recording. The IPA symbol /ʃ/ represents the sound spelled "sh" in English, but the recorded pronunciation has a sound much closer to English "s".

Thnidu (talk) 01:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
(PhD in linguistics)

Why is the infobox photo rotated?

It looked a lot better before it was rotated. None of the other infobox photos for UK Prime Ministers are rotated. 79.66.89.36 (talk) 11:56, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 March 2023

Please change Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[2][3] to Southeast African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent

to Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[2][3] to Southeast African-born Hindu parents of Punjabi descent

Reason:

• The Sunaks are a Punjabi Khatri family from Gujranwala, a city in modern day Pakistan. It is incorrect to label them to be of modern day Indian descent considering neither did India exist when the Sunaks left Gujranwala, nor has Gujranwala ever been part of India. 17:35, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• His maternal grandfather is from Ludhiana, present day India, so even if we insist on referring to nation states which didn't exist at the time, we can't say Indian or Pakistani - we must simply say Punjabi, since his family originates from both sides of the border. Solblaze (talk) 17:39, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 01:26, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

References

Infobox image

I would like to change the Infobox image to this one. I thought it looked more official and it is already used on several UK election pages. Let me know if a consensus can be found there. Thanks Pohjamadesse1 (talk) 20:26, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I prefer the new one. The new picture, whilst an improvement in terms of portraiture, is of lesser photographic quality, being blurry. Bazza (talk) 20:28, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I second this. Prithishsrinivasan (talk) 04:54, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Disagree. The current image is the one GOV.UK is using. No need to deviate. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 09:48, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tim O'Doherty: Deviate from what? Is there a WP requirement that only an official image should be used? MOS:IMAGE seems to suggest that image quality, variety and pertinence are the factors to use when choosing an image. Bazza (talk) 18:32, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Deviate from the government website. Plus, the proposed image is lower quality, and pertains less to the factors than the other one, e.g. not looking towards the text, per MOS:PORTRAIT. In any case, there was already an RfC held on this. Consensus can change, but I don't think enough time has passed for it to have. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:37, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tim O'Doherty: I interpret the "looking towards the text" bit as discouraging looking away from it, as Anthony Eden is. Otherwise the images of Alec Douglas-Home, Harold Wilson, Margaret Thatcher, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss are all failing to "look towards the text". I agree with your point about the recent RfC; and at sizes larger than the usual infobox thumbnail, the proposed picture is, indeed, inferior in terms of photographic quality, for which reason I have changed my earlier statement. Bazza (talk) 19:05, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm not the one who wants to strictly follow MOS:IMAGE, but as that was the point that you had made, I brought up the factors there. I prefer the current lead image, but more because it's consistent with the other PMs from Brown to Truss using either their official portraits or, failing that, GOV.UK's images, and less because of MOS:PORTRAIT. If people want to change this, an RfC would be the best way to go about it, but I would wait a few months because the last one was fairly recent. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 19:12, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, every other article about UK prime ministers uses the images from the UK Government website. So it is best to keep the current image in order to maintain consistency between all of the articles. DDMS123 (talk) 18:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support replacement The replacement proposal looks more official and is in good quality. The current image used, Sunak is facing away and the microphone is in the way. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:47, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

I oppose the replacement. The other UK PM articles from Gordon Brown onwards use their official portraits which are also used on GOV.UK. Although Sunak is yet to have an official portrait as PM, the current image used in the article is the one used on GOV.UK. Therefore, I think its best to keep it until an official portrait of Sunak as PM becomes available. ThatRandomGuy1 (talk) 21:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 April 2023

Was CST a cabinet post? May have 'attended' but not a full member 81.79.202.186 (talk) 22:45, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 14:20, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 April 2023

While at Oxford University, Sunak interned at the headquarters of the Conservative Party and was president of the Oxford Trading & Investment Society, which teaches students about financial markets and trading. Therefore the statement as it is written is not accurate. 5.61.122.219 (talk) 22:53, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Agree this should be changed. His actual predecessor might've only been in the role for 5 minutes, but it was still not Johnson that preceded Sunak. --195.99.227.0 (talk) 10:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

References

Sentence structure and grammar issues

The first sentence is in past tense: "Rishi Sunak (/ˈrɪʃi ˈsuːnæk/ ⓘ; born 12 May 1980) is a British politician who [has] served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party since 2022"

Emphasis added with [ ]. Entire page needs to be proof read and grammar et al corrected. Newb787 (talk) 06:38, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Done SKAG123 (talk) 02:19, 28 December 2023 (UTC)