Talk:Ray Teret

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Reported conviction[edit]

Why has his 1999 conviction for unlawful sexual intercourse been removed from the article? Jim Michael (talk) 18:15, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because it was sourced to the Daily Star. Eric Corbett 18:27, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

...and I haven't been able to find any more reliable sources for it either. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Birth details[edit]

Primary sources (not acceptable here, I know), refer to a Raymond Terrett (sic) born in Salisbury in the quarter Oct-Dec 1941. Any other sources for alternative spellings of his name? Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And, this unexplained edit says he was born in London rather than Salisbury. Where is the source for that? Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:58, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I checked [1] myself, there was only one Raymond Terrett born in England in Wales in 1940-42, in Salisbury in Oct-Dec. 1941, Teret could be a very unusual name as nobody with it born in that period. Can we assume that this is him? PatGallacher (talk) 18:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This source gives a reliable birth date. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Worth noting that we say he died at 79 years old, but BBC says he was 80.[2]LM2000 (talk) 06:54, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"accused"[edit]

According to User:NebY|NebY, "Reliable sources usually do accord with judgments but not always (for example, RSs may describe historic miscarriages of justice or even current ones, particularly in prsosecutorial and judicial systems that the RSs regard as corrupt), and where court judgments were impossible but our reliable sources report detailed investigations and come to definitive conclusions, we must follow our sources and not cavil.

There is one BLP consideration; many of those Savile abused are still alive. People vary; some don't like being called victims - they say it puts them in a box as passive and powerless again, with no agency. Being an accuser gives you a modicum of power over your abuser; being called his victim perpetuates his power over you. But it's arguable that using terms like "accusers" to cast doubt on the general mass of evidence that living people presented to Operation Yewtree and the like and insisting on calling Savile's abuse "alleged" would be akin to a breach of WP:BLP. NebY (talk) 23:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the last edit to The Reckoning (2023 TV series) changed

Four real life survivors of Savile's abuse speak at the beginning and end of some of the episodes.

to

Four real-life survivors of Savile's alleged abuse speak at the beginning and end of some of the episodes.[3]

This is just the sort of WP:BLP issue I feared above, besmirching living survivors, and is contrary to the source. I'll revert it. NebY (talk) 00:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC)"[reply]

92.17.198.220 (talk) 15:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]