Talk:Promising Young Woman

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Alfred Molina on the First Time He Read 'Promising Young Woman:' 'What the F—?!?' (EXCLUSIVE)

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Separatist Feminism[edit]

There needs to be a statement that not only is this a radical feminist film but also excludes men altogether because all the male characters are either rapists or enablers of rapists, men can't be raped and all abusers are male.--2001:8003:953B:3200:C062:7A1F:9F4F:F911 (talk) 06:42, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@2001:8003:953B:3200:C062:7A1F:9F4F:F911 I only partially agree, and recommend that you add such statement yourself. Best is to first create a wikipedia account. But the lawyer is not just an abuser, as he suffers also, shows remorse, asks forgiveness, and is expected to help to arrest and prosecute Al with the video sent to him posthumously by Carry. PotatoEater (talk) 15:33, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then it's an example of the Trope of Beauty is Bad, as all the rapists, the female dean, and the protagonist herself are conventionally attractive, while those who symphysis with the victim are not in the best of shape or are Hollywood Homely. Still, the film is an example of why many feel feminists perpetuate gender bias.--2001:8003:953B:3200:4B2F:BB8E:2A4:2E0F (talk) 15:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Two rapes? Confusing syntax[edit]

The sentence "Years earlier, her classmate, Al Monroe, raped her best friend and another classmate, Nina Fisher, leading to Nina's implied suicide" indicates Al raped two women on the same occasion. If it was only one, i.e. if the best friend and Nina are the same woman, then it should read "Years earlier, her classmate, Al Monroe, raped her best friend, another classmate, Nina Fisher, leading to Nina's implied suicide". 2.31.162.34 (talk) 13:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why does Cassie hold Madison responsible for Nina’s rape/death?[edit]

The article says Cassie holds Madison responsible, and that’s why she starts her revenge plan with her. But it doesn’t explain, why does she think Madison is responsible? Was Madison a witness? IllQuill (talk) 21:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@IllQuill: NPR stated: "After Madison refuses to atone for dismissing Nina's accusations all those years before" in this article WhisperToMe (talk) 04:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Variety comments slated[edit]

This seems worthy of mention: [1]. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:31, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is it really a "black comedy"? The protagonist gets murdered during the course of the film. Hard to see any humour in it, "black" or otherwise. 2.31.162.34 (talk) 13:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remember the characterization is based on what Wikipedia:Reliable sources (here, meaning reviews published by newspapers and magazines, as well as journal articles) say WhisperToMe (talk) 23:28, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@2.31.162.34 Sure, the rape and murder count for the black part, but there is sure humor too. She interrogates her lover: "What do you know about me? What work do I do? Hobbies? What is my name?" This is humor. The silent stare to the workers across the street that tried to bully her, sad situation but also humor. The car driver yelling at her about how she is "blocking traffic", then the camera turning to show a wide and empty road: humor. Spitting in the coffee: humor. The dialogs with her parents, the champagne and soda trick, etc etc. How can you not call this a comedy? Too bad all this is not really part of the "plot" and not mentioned in the article, but then you'd better just watch the movie. PotatoEater (talk) 18:00, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Character development information[edit]

@Draco9904: In response to the deletion of the material with the rationale that it's "not necessary" I restored it and started this discussion. Why would this not be necessary?

There are lengthy articles on fictional characters like Walt Kowalski and Light Yagami where their motivations and characterizations are explored by reliable sources and by the creators. Ryan's reveal and creation in fact is a key element of this film. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not absolutely necessary but critical character analysis can add to the page and probably does in this case. Critical Response always belongs in the appropriately named section though. Character info can be in the cast section but it should be from the writer, director, actor, or preexisting material. Critic's opinions on the characters aren't confirmed by those who actually created the character and may be different. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 16:26, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Best Original Screenplay[edit]

The article says this film was nominated for Best Original Screenplay in the BAFTA Awards 2021. It could now point out that it won this category. Rollo August (talk) 18:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rollo August this award is in the article. You could have edited this. PotatoEater (talk) 18:35, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not a comedy, black or otherwise[edit]

The subject of this film is deadly serious and, having seen it in the last 24 hrs, it was intensely shocking to read the first line of the description. This film is a suspense thriller. Summerdoor (talk) 14:29, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's been called a "black comedy" or "dark comedy" by a few sources. NPR here calls it a "dark comedy". A film can be classified in different genres to different degrees. This from The Washington Post talks about the role of comedy. Whether or not this label belongs in the opening sentence depends on WP:FILMLEAD, but I do not see a reason to remove such mention from the article body entirely. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

British production[edit]

Pinging TropicAces, who has reverted several edits on the film being an English co-production, multiple sources have shown up listing the UK as a country of production. Specifically, Screen Daily and LUMIERE have the UK listed. Wonder if these are enough/reliable to include in the main page to source this.^[1]^[2] As for the BBFC source, Baby Driver was also listed as a US film by them and that was also a UK-US co-production. Thoughts? Daerl (talk) 05:44, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

well not a single one of those was ever cited, it continuously was an article about the film’s BAFTA win, which itself doesn’t make it a British film. If there are actual sources then great. TropicAces (talk) 14:43, 8 May 2021 (UTC)tropicAces[reply]

References

^ "Promising Young Woman (2020)". Lumiere. Retrieved May 8, 2021.
^ "'Promising Young Woman' skips UK theatrical release to debut on Sky Cinema in April". Screen Daily. Screen International. March 25, 2021. Retrieved May 8, 2021.

Commentary on what happens to Nina[edit]

This source:

St. James, Emily (2021-01-15). "A close read of Promising Young Woman's brilliant, divisive ending". Vox.

... states that the film does not "really say what happened [to Nina], but you understand precisely what transpired all the same because Nina’s story is so sadly common in our own world."

This may be useful in elaborating on the plot. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:40, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This should not be included, per WP:FILMPLOT: Do not make analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about information found in a primary source. Just keep it to what the film tells us. Popcornfud (talk) 03:11, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[lumiere-1] "Promising Young Woman (2020)". Lumiere. Retrieved May 8, 2021.

[2] "'Promising Young Woman' skips UK theatrical release to debut on Sky Cinema in April". Screen Daily. Screen International. March 25, 2021. Retrieved May 8, 2021.

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