Talk:Professional gridiron football

What about Canadian football?????????

Genius! Your going to upset the Canadians. And we all know what happene when Canadians get upse - er, never mind! Nothing happens. - BilCat (talk) 18:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I know I'm the one who moved it, but tbh I don't like this second new title at all. I can't really see why Canada is even included in the article except to avoid offence, there is no discussion of both codes in the article, just two sections, 90% American, with Canadian stuck in at the bottom. I'm being asked to fix the redirects (which I would have done had it become apparent the move was stable), but in light of this second move, before doing that I would rather see some consensus demonstrated for a new title first, through RM maybe, or some discussion as to what this article is for or about and whether it could be split. I definitely oppose this article residing simply at professional football, never mind Canadians, that is confusing to potentially billions of people, per Football. MickMacNee (talk) 19:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree we ought to have consensus on a title before changing all the redirects. But on sheer style grounds alone, Professional football (American football) was just plain awful, but as I couldn't revert the move, I chose a relatively better, more comprehensive title. In hindsight, perhaps we should have had this discussion before moving the article in the first place, whether it was confusing or not. Professional football had the advantage of simplicity, it is the actual term used. It is the only article covering professional aspects of any of the football codes, hence pre-emptive disambiguation is not needed - that can be handled with a simple hatnote. As to why Canada is included in the article, I assume it's because their system of professional football is similar to the US system, having evovled in parallel, much as the games themselves. Again, that should probably have been discussed prior to any move, but since it is already included, the title ought to reflect that now. - BilCat (talk) 01:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

This article is at best, a start class 'History of North American Football' article. It has absolutely no claim to the right of 'pre-emptively' disambiguating the all-encompassing global term, 'professional football'. MickMacNee (talk) 16:22, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

That doessn't preclude discussing the article before moving it. Though "shoot first, discuss if absolutely necessary later" is more you're style, it isn't very helpful most of the time. - BilCat (talk) 20:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I missed the part where you suggested a way forward.... I will always oppose moving it back to professional football, but other than that, I'm all ears, and my guns are holstered, honest. MickMacNee (talk) 02:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I was referring to the original move. I'll drop that stick! Anyway, we should probably ask for input from the NFL, American, and Canadian football project. There is at least one article tht overlaps this one - I can't remomber which one, but I'll try to find it. Then we can try to figure out how best to cover the topic, and its scope. The title should follow from that. - BilCat (talk) 04:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I found one, Major professional sports leagues in the United States and Canada, but there may be another one I'm thinking of. - BilCat (talk) 04:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Vague data

I realize editors have done their best. A reader is unable to grasp the importance, or lack of same, from missing figures on tabularized teams, number of players, total players, gross income. Until the end, we are left to wonder whether Arena Football, or A F L, was as significant in popularity to NFL. We need data by years. This is big business and has been since the 1960s or so. Americans today could not live without Sunday pro ball and Monday night football. This does show up in our reporting. Student7 (talk) 02:06, 24 October 2016 (UTC) Student7 (talk) 02:06, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

This article is garbage that needs to be rewritten entirely. Don't expect too much from it. Lizard (talk) 20:09, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

"Pro ball" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Pro ball. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 13#Pro ball until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 16:53, 13 May 2021 (UTC)