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Open POV of this entire article[edit]

I am astonished at the blatant bias displayed in this article on Pope Pius XI and Germany. Practically every paragraph is filled with selective quotations reflecting the views of Pope Pius XII defenders, so that the evidence is "cherry-picked" to support only one view, and those sections that deal with the voluminous controversy over Pope Pius XII's antisemitism and role in the Holocaust mention the sometimes sharply critical voices only to refute them and to conclude with quotations from Pope Pius XII's defenders, Jewish if possible but also Catholic in any case. Thus in effect only praise of Pope Pius is treated as valid.

A similar blatant bias and attempt to whitewash the truth (indeed, even to reverse it) is also shown in associated Wikipedia articles, which all betray the same hand, such as the article on the encyclical Mit brennende Sorge issued in 1937 by the Vatican. It is for example not mentioned there that Monsignor Pacelli, soon to become Pope Pius XII, and one of the key writers of the Encyclical, soft-pedaled the Nazi threat in it, and subsequently tried to dismiss its significance and backtrack on its sentiments in his own negotiations with the Nazis. It is also not mentioned that the encyclical, presented in the article as a direct attack on Hitler and Nazism, actually did not mention either Hitler or the Jews at all. Circumlocutions that allowed the reader of the Encyclical to apply the vague generalities to other places and persons were used instead. This considerably weakens the message of the encyclical, to such a point that, contrary to the impression given by the Wikipedia article, the encyclical was widely criticised at the time and was received with widespread dismay and cynicism. There is also no reference there to the "Hidden Encyclical" of 1939 which was much more frank in condemning Nazi morality and antisemitism - and which did not get Pope Pius XII's support and was never issued by the Vatican. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.237.116 (talk) 08:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

defending and rescuing Jews[edit]

the mostly Catholic members of the Munich resistance group White Rose around Hans and Sophie Scholl. Haecker and Muth, their tutors and mentors were Catholics. Hans and Sophie Scholl were Protestants; on the day of their execution they wanted to convert to the Catholic Church, but the prison chaplain persuaded them to stay with the Lutheran Church. See also: http://knabresistanceholocaust.blogspot.com/ See also: Maria Terwiel, Anton Schmid 93.247.80.113 (talk) 12:06, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]