Talk:Pope Alexander II

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Alleluia[edit]

IMHO, the piece of trivia about a very minimal change in liturgical practice does NOT deserve a special subsection. Maybe the sentence can be relocated in "Reforms".

--Vicedomino (talk) 21:10, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chronology problem[edit]

The following sentence currently appears in the text:

Anselm was one of four "upright and honest" priests suggested to succeed Ariberto da Intimiano as prince bishop of Milan. When the Emperor Henry III chose instead the more worldly Guido da Velate, protests followed.

(1) It is unsupported by a reference, and therefore cannot be checked.
(2) It contains a quotation, testimonial in nature, which is unreferenced. Likewise, the peacock phrse "the more worldly Guido" is unreferenced.
(3) It speaks of Anselm as a contender for the Archbishopric of Milan. The date would have been 1045. The text says that Henry III gave Anselm the Bishopric of Lucca because of his disappointment when someone else (Wido, Guido) was appointed. But the vacancy at Lucca did not happen until 1056 or 1057. The connection between the two alleged facts seems tenuous at best.
(4) Landulf of Milan speaks twice of Anselm having been ordained a priest by Archbishop Wido, which makes it impossible for him to have been a good priest and a candidate for the throne that Guido won.

What is the solution to this contradiction?

--Vicedomino (talk) 04:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did cardinals seek imperial permission?[edit]

The sources state that they did:

The reformist cardinals met under the direction of Hildebrand (who later became Pope Gregory VII), and sent a representative, the former monk of Cluny, Cardinal Stephen, to seek permission of the emperor to conduct an election. After a five-day wait during which he was not received in audience, the Cardinal returned to Italy, without having received the congé d'élire.^[1]

Levillain, who is cited in a reference, is partisan, and obscures the important detail.

--Vicedomino (talk) 17:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Ferdinand Gregorovius (1896). History of the City of Rome in the Middle Ages. Vol. Vol. IV, Part I. London: G. Bell & sons. p. 129. {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help), derived from Peter Damiani, "Disceptatio synodalis" Monumenta Germaniae historica: Libelli de lite imperatorum et pontificum saeculis XI. et XII. conscripti (in German and Latin). Vol. Vol. I. Hannover: Hahn. 1891. pp. 87–88. {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help): Sed ut totam inauditae calamitatis nostrae percurramus historiam, Stephanus cardinalis presbiter apostolicae sedis, vir videlicet tantae gravitatis et honestatis nitore conspicuus, tantis denique, sicut non obscutum est, virtutum floribus insignitus, cum apostolicis litteris ad aulam regiam missus, ab aulicis amministratoribus non est admissus, sed per quinque fere dies ad beati Petri et apostolicae sedis iniuriam pro foribus mansit exclusus. Quod ille, utpote vir gravis et patiens, aequanimiter tulit, legati tamen officium, quo fungebatur, implere non potuit.

Roman Catholic Church[edit]

The use of the word Roman is necessary. Alexander II was elected less than a decade after the separation of western and eastern Catholic Church (Rome and Constantinople), causing what came to be known as the Great Schism. Remarkably, Alexander II seems to have had no interest in the matter. "Catholic Church" is an inadequate description: there is the Armenian Catholic Church, the Polish National Catholic Church, the Old Catholic Church, etc. etc.

--Vicedomino (talk) 16:28, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Ferdinand Gregorovius (1896). History of the City of Rome in the Middle Ages. Vol. Vol. IV, Part I. London: G. Bell & sons. p. 129. {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help), derived from Peter Damiani, "Disceptatio synodalis" Monumenta Germaniae historica: Libelli de lite imperatorum et pontificum saeculis XI. et XII. conscripti (in German and Latin). Vol. Vol. I. Hannover: Hahn. 1891. pp. 87–88. {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help): Sed ut totam inauditae calamitatis nostrae percurramus historiam, Stephanus cardinalis presbiter apostolicae sedis, vir videlicet tantae gravitatis et honestatis nitore conspicuus, tantis denique, sicut non obscutum est, virtutum floribus insignitus, cum apostolicis litteris ad aulam regiam missus, ab aulicis amministratoribus non est admissus, sed per quinque fere dies ad beati Petri et apostolicae sedis iniuriam pro foribus mansit exclusus. Quod ille, utpote vir gravis et patiens, aequanimiter tulit, legati tamen officium, quo fungebatur, implere non potuit.

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