Talk:Pier 40/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 18:01, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

As a thanks for reviewing one of my articles, I shall review this one. MWright96 (talk) 18:01, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

@MWright96: Thanks for taking up the review, and for removing that unsourced paragraph. I only realized just now that the paragraph about the 2017 truck attack - which incidentally is irrelevant to any aspect of Pier 40, other than the fact that the attack occurred nearby - was added by an IP user who apparently likes to add badly sourced info about terrorism to other articles as well. epicgenius (talk) 18:42, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lead

• "The pier is the largest structure in Hudson River Park at over 14 acres in size" the convert template should be used on "14 acres"
  • @MWright96: Done. epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

History

• "and ended all operations around 1983.[16][17][18][19][20][1]" - refs should be in numerical order
  • I removed the last three ref mentions as citation overkill. epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
• "Additional plans called for a branch of the Guggenheim Museum[28]" - a comma is missing between the word "museum" and the reference
  • Done.
• "The main field (occupying the former cargo level) began construction in 2004" - the parentheses are unneeded
  • Removed.
• "and opened in May 2005 with then-Governor" - don't use wording such as "then-Governor"
  • Reworded.
• "and 40% of the entire park's annual operating budget." - 40 percent per MOS:PERCENT
  • Removed.

Current condition and use

• "Pier 40's design resembles a square doughnut," - should be donut since this is an American topic
  • Didn't realize that - in NYC we have both "doughnuts" and "donuts". epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
• "also referred to as the pier's "shed"," - referred to by whom?
  • Clarified.
• "the pier is held up by over 3,500 steel H-pile girders" - more than would be better in this instance
  • Done.
• "According to several reports, the Pier is severely dilapidated and gradually sinking into the Hudson River." - do the sources state why it has become dilapidated and is sinking into the Hudson River? If so then it should be included into the article.
  • The NY Times source doesn't say why, and neither does the NY Post. I can only assume that the pier is sinking because of the deferred maintenance, but there's nothing in either source. Villager source (which I did find a new url for) only talks about the dilapidation. epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
• "the Pier was closed after being engulfed by over 12 feet of water." - the convert template should be used on the text highlighted in bold
  • Done.

As Hudson River Park

• Wikilink dugout to Dugout (baseball) and batting cage
  • Done.
• "covering each half or each corner of the field respectively.[42][40]" - refs should be in numerical order
  • Done.
• "Prior to 2008, Public Schools Athletic League-sanctioned" - the acronyms of the Public Schools Athletic League should be mentioned in parentheses
  • Done.

Future development

• "several proposals have been floated" - made?
  • Done.
• "cost anywhere from'" - between
  • Done, but "between tens and hundreds..." epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
• "A 2012 proposal from local real estate developer Douglas Durst (who served as the chairman of Friends of Hudson River Park group until late 2012)" - how about A 2012 proposal from local real estate developer and former Friends of Hudson River Park chairman Douglas Durst instead so that it is more concise?
  • Done.
• "A 2014 proposal would demolish and redevelop the St. John's Terminal Building across the street (owned by the Atlas Group) into a residential and retail facility over the course of 10 years" - not so sure whether the mention of the Atlas Group owning the St. Johns Terminal Building is notable unless they proposed the idea
  • Removed. I also added a red link to the building, because it is notable and pretty prominent, and I am surprised this doesn't have its own article. epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
• "but would generate and estimated $100 million in revenue." - typo; should be an
  • Fixed.

References

• No shouting in the references per MOS:ALLCAPS please
  • Fixed.
• References 1, 4, 16, 23, 24, 31, 35, 39, 43, 45, 46, 59 are dead and require archiving
  • Just to be sure, I archived all the refs. epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
• Reference 8 should have the publisher of the source inserted
  • Fixed.
• The work of Reference 24 should be Downtown Express and not The Villager
  • Fixed.
• Reference 56 should feature the publisher not the work of the source since it is not a newspaper citation
  • Fixed.

The main issues with the article concern the prose in certain areas and the status of some references which are dead but can be archived. On hold. MWright96 (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

@MWright96: Thank you very much for the expedited review - it was much faster than my 2-week-long GA review, for which I apologize. I have addressed all of the issues above. epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Reference 46 will need replacing since it is a permanently dead link MWright96 (talk) 20:31, 17 February 2020 (UTC)