Talk:Philip Dundas

Family background

I have come to this article because I am filling in some of the details of the Dundas family, and an article on Robert Nisbet-Hamilton suggested that he was the son of a sixth son of Robert Dundas of Arniston, but that particular name is one that was used by generations of men in the same family, all of them prominent members of the legal profession in Scotland. This lead me to doubt the validity of the source used to assert it. It seems to me likely, in looking into this I discovered that the subject of this biography was the son of Robert Dundas of Arniston, the younger see Talk:Robert Nisbet-Hamilton#Sixth son of Robert Dundas of Arniston and the dubious tag.

Philip Dundas, Esq., Governor of tho Prince of Wales Island, fourth son (by Grace, his second wife, dau. of William Grant, Lord Prestongrange) of Robert Dundas, Esq. of Arniston, lord president of the Court of Session, elder brother of Henry, first Viscount Melville, m. in 1803, Margaret, sister of Sir David Wedderburno, Bart., and d. in 1807, leaving two sons,

• Robert-adam, who assumed the surnames of Christopher-nisbet-hamilton, and is now of Dirleton and Bloxholm;
• and Philip, colonel in the army, m. 30 Oct. 1858, Lady Jane Charteris, dau. of Francis, 7th Earl of Wemyss and March.

— Burke, Sir Bernard (1863). A genealogical and heraldic dictionary of the landed gentry of Great Britain and Ireland. Vol. 2 (4 ed.). Harrison. p. 1085.

-- PBS (talk) 01:04, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Of the second son here is another sentence (dsp short for descessit sine prole (died without issue)):

Philip Dundas, Colonel in the Guards, who dsp 1870, having m. 1858 Lady Jane Charteris (daughter of Francis, 7th Earl of Wemyss), who died in London, 1897.

From Wedderburn, Alexander Dundas Ogilvy (1898). Wedderburn book: a history of the Wedderburns in the counties of Berwick, and Forfar, designed of Wedderburn, Kingennie, Ester Powrie, Blackness, Balindean, and Gosford; and their younger branches; together with some account of other families of the name, 1296-1896. Vol. 1. Printed for private circulation. p. 294.

Extended content on Philip (1806–1870)

There is some chatter on the web but the sources are not reliable: Philip Dundas, born 1762. Commander of the ship The Melville Castle, Superintendent of marine at Bombay - 1802, Member of Parliament for Surrey 1803-5, Governor and treasurer of Prince of Wales Island -1805 1807. Married 1st, 1790 in Dublin, Penelope Ford Lindsay (died 1802 - possible issue, but not yet proven), married 2ndly, 5/5/1803, Margaret Wedderburn (died 1806) and died 8/4/1807 leaving issue: A. Robert Adam Dundas. Changed his surname to Christopher by Royal licence 20/1/1836 ... A.Phillip Dundas, Lieutenant Colonel, 6th Regiment of Foot. Born 5/9/1806 in Penang, Malaya, married 1858, Lady Jane Charteris and died without issue 15/12/1870. — Individual record Dundas James But the facts about the the Philip's son Philip are confused because there is also a Philip Dundas in the 47th the details of which are discussed in two posts website DUNDAS-L Archives: Archiver > DUNDAS > 2010-05 > 1273308032 Family Tree Forum > Research Advice > Family History Research > Isabella Dundas sister to Colonel Dundas From the last posting. It seems that there were two potential candidates mixed up "Philip Dundas, late of 28 Bruton-street, St George Hanover Square, London, a retired Colonel...who died 15 Dec 1870 at Salton Hall....widow Lady Jane Dundas......" "Philip Dundas, late of Fancourt in the County of Dublin, Colonel 47th Regiment who died on or about 28 july 1872 at Fancourt...probate granted 1 November 1872 at Dublin to John Barber Bankhead of Fancourt Esq, one of the Executors." It is number one who was the son of Philip Dundas Govenor of Prince of Wales Island. -- PBS (talk) 04:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

--PBS (talk) 04:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Quote from a primary source

>==1807, April==

April 4. Mr. W. C. Clubley, appointed deputy secretary.

Government Orders. Fort Cornwallis April 10. The whole of the troops at the presidency to parade this afternoon, at half past four o'clock, in front of the Government-house, to attend the remains of the honourable Philip Dundas, late Governor &c., &c., &c., of this island, to the place of interment, with all military honours due to his high rank and station. Lieutenant-colonel Basset to command. Three rounds of light cartridges per man to be served to the 20th regiment, which corps only is to fire over the grave, on account of the narrowness of the ground. Forty-five minute guns, corresponding with the years of age of the deceased, to be held in readiness to be fired during the funeral procession, and to be commenced by signal from the Government-house. The Bengal artillery to furnish the carrying party. The garrison colours to be hoisted at half mast at sun-rise, and continue until sun-set.
(signed) JOHN DRUMMOND, Town Major.

April 13. A salute of 19 guns to be fired, on H. S. Pearson Esq. taking his seat as governor of this island. Also a salute of 11 guns on W. E. Phillips, Esq. taking his seat as member of council. By order of the honourable the governor and council.
(signed) Thomas Raffles, Secretary to government.

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Notes

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I have removed the above quote from a primary source, from the article. If the above belongs anywhere in the Wikipedia project it is on Wikisource. I'm leaving here so that others can move it to Wikisource if they wish to do so. -- PBS (talk) 06:32, 10 December 2011 (UTC)