Talk:Pep Guardiola

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2020[edit]

Catalonia cannot be a national team by definition. This information is wrong and false. Luiceur (talk) 19:15, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See Catalonia_national_football_team. If you think it does not exist, please start a discussion there. RudolfRed (talk) 19:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2020[edit]

Catalonia is not a country recognized by FIFA. The section where he played for Catalonia should be removed under national teams Afj82 (talk) 03:27, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done I'm not sure what your point is. The article on the Catalonia national football team makes it clear that they are not "not affiliated with either FIFA or UEFA and is therefore not allowed to participate in either the FIFA World Cup or the UEFA European Championship". So
If you're trying to state that only FIFA-recognized national teams should be in player infoboxes, then make the statement (but you'll have to get consensus from the football project by discussing it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football first).
If you're trying to state that it should not be discussed in the "international career" section, the claim is sourced so I don't see it going anywhere. There's already nothing in the "career statistics" section, so you can't mean that. Please explain yourself more clearly. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2020[edit]

Change "Sala" to "i Sala"[1] IPOokap (talk) 20:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "man city vs real - Google Search". Google. Google. Retrieved 7 August 2020. Scroll down, tap on "LINEUPS", and scroll all the way down
 Not done The sources you provide do not support your claim. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 15:25, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Here you have an official document from the Catalonia Parlament where you can see that his name is “Josep Guardiola i Sala”. So the name should be changed as requested by the other user.
It’s actually the normal way of putting two family names in Catalonia, but if you need an official document, here you have it .
[1]https://www.parlament.cat/document/actualitat/149028.pdf Littlelifes (talk) 22:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Done M.Bitton (talk) 23:21, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why was this changed back? His last name is Guardiola i Sala, there's an official document showing it, as well as many other online sources. Most family names in Catalonia are written this way. Strawberryfire (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Champions league Season 17-18[edit]

Include Pep Guardiola's defeat to Liverpool in Champions League season 17-18. That part is missing Er. Aashish Tiwari (talk) 03:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2021[edit]

Change "Guardiola Sala" to "Guardiola i Sala". His full surname is "Guardiola i Sala", according to the Catalan naming customs. Wikipedia in essentially every other language adds the "i" between the two surnames. Also, there is no source to support the current version without "i". 2A00:23C5:3408:4101:6D53:BBAC:E13A:2210 (talk) 18:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sir Joseph (talk) 19:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think my point was misunderstood. His surname according to the Catalan naming customs (see link above) must contain the "i". This should be the default. It is the current version without "i" that lacks any reliable source. Therefore, unless his surname can be proven to be "Guardiola Sala", Wikipedia should use the version with the "i".2A00:23C5:3408:4101:6D53:BBAC:E13A:2210 (talk) 22:02, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think we understood your point: Catalan nationalism, etc. I think you misunderstood the request to provide a reliable sources that uses the Catalan convention rather than the Spanish convention. Most sources that I found use the Spanish convention: https://www.premierleague.com/managers/5285/Josep-Guardiola/overview , https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0252-0e764be2c247-18b687939779-1000--josep-guardiola/ , https://www.fifa.com/photos/galleries/josep-guardiola-1621522#barcelona-coach-pep-guardiola-1557781 and I could continue. I appreciate the sentiment, but the sources call him Spanish, not Catalan, and so we should use the Spanish convention unless there is a consistent use of the other. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2021[edit]

90.160.148.226 (talk) 19:51, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

X PEP HAS NOT WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE IN 20/21 WITH MAN CITY???

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tito and Pep[edit]

Re: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pep_Guardiola&oldid=1025740482

@Walter Görlitz: How is a statement about the only two individuals be about just one? I disagree. Also, here is a tip from a noob editor re:MOS: Instead of deleting stuff, try fixing them, especially if they're minor. Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 08:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you added it back regardless. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but I'm open to have it removed. If you think it is really unnecessary, I'd be okay to see it go. Especially if you think it is not noteworthy in Pep's article. Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 06:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are other editors who can remove it if they find it to be a problem. The naming convention was correct when you added it back. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Barca[edit]

Pep was at Barca 2008-2013 90.242.191.216 (talk) 17:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@90.242.191.216: Nope, he left in 2012. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:20, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Dr Salvus (talk · contribs) 20:21, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Hello. I'll be the one who'll review this. Not being a native English speaker, it could take a few days to review the grammar (I'm going to do this with a friend). Dr Salvus 20:21, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion[edit]

Tomorrow, I'll see the rest. Dr Salvus 21:07, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Let's see the grammatical mistakes (corrected by my friend)

  • He is often considered to be one of the greatest managers of all time -> He is considered one of the greatest managers of all time [...]
  • he guided Barcelona to the treble of La Liga, Copa del Rey and UEFA Champions League. -> he led Barcelona to the treble of La Liga, Copa del Rey and UEFA Champions League.
  • in 2003, Guardiola chose to play in Qatar with Al-Ahli from Doha in the Qatar Stars League, -> in 2003, Guardiola decided to play in Qatar with Al-Ahli from Doha in the Qatar Stars League,
  • a home draw to Southampton on 23 October 2016 meant Guardiola had equalled -> a home draw to Southampton on 23 October 2016 meant Guardiola had equaled

Dr Salvus 22:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox looks to meet all manuals of style except, MOS:DATETOPRES. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr Salvus Is there anything else you or Walter think there is to fix? ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 14:54, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments[edit]

  • The prestigious Italian magazine Guerin Sportivo heralded: remove prestigious, it's not at all.
  • Merge the last three sections of his playing career in a section called "Late career".

I've read the first half of the text. Will do the rest later. Dr Salvus 18:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr Salvus Done. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 16:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I must still see the last two sections, which I'll see tomorrow Dr Salvus 18:50, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ArsenalGhanaPartey I've finished everything.
  • which has influenced approaches of managers such as Mauricio Pochettino,[citation needed] add the source or leave it out
  • On 6 January 2022, Guardiola tested positive for COVID-19. By 14 January 2022, Guardiola had recovered from COVID-19. -> On 6 January 2022, Guardiola tested positive for COVID-19 amid its pandemic in the United Kingdom; he fully recovered on 14 January.
  • I'm not very competent on this matter but there's 10% of possible of text violating copyright
That's all. Sorry for my not being active on it but it did think you were no more interested on it as you were less active. Dr Salvus 20:21, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr Salvus Done. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 15:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ArsenalGhanaPartey: Omg, you've made a copyvio here and here. Dr Salvus 19:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The first edit is a quote, so it is not copyvio. The second is copyvio. However, neither edits were made by me. I'll resolve them. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 20:08, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Correction, both are quotes. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 13:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Status query[edit]

Dr Salvus, ArsenalGhanaPartey, where does this review stand? Have the issues been addressed? Are there any issues with recent edits to the article? It would be nice to get this review moving again. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:45, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset, sorry I had completely forgot this. I'll immediately promote this. Dr Salvus 16:04, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Filmography[edit]

I have removed the recently-added filmography section. Adding specific sections like this has been generally avoided in articles whose subjects are non-media professionals, but I think it's worth discussion. In articles about other footballers, you can see prose mentions of prominent media appearances in the public image/reception sections; this is more complicated with the Guardiola article due to his prominence separately as a player and manager. The thought seems to be that as people who aren't actors or presenters etc., the media appearances are a side note to their career (not a focus) and only significant in that they reflect how the players have been received by the public. Including a filmography also begs the question whether all media appearances (e.g. documentaries) should be included - an as himself cameo is no more a proper role than featuring in a documentary.

Discussion should probably focus on whether media appearances are significant enough to warrant filmographies, and if so, which media appearances to include. Kingsif (talk) 12:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Managerial honours.[edit]

There are many {{citation needed tags in the honours section, Pro's trophy haul is not in doubt, so could someone confirm that the Barcelona FC webpage :- Pep Barca be ok as a reference for his trophies as a manager for Barcelona ?? Cltjames (talk) 05:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2023[edit]

For the first photo of Pep coaching at FC Bayern, the photo on the right displays him in 2015, while the subtitle below mentions 2013 incorrectly. The photo file itself was published on Flickr in 2015. So the request is to fix the year of the subtitle from "Bayern Munich in 2013" to "Bayern Munich in 2015". Hope this small fix that should be easily to manage. Detektiv Prime (talk) 08:08, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: @Detektiv Prime: The original photo on flickr, [2], was indeed uploaded in 2015, however it was "Taken on November 24, 2013", so the caption is correct. --Ferien (talk) 09:19, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Bundesliga ball behind the coach is from the 2014/15 season (Torfabrik 2014/15), since it's designed after the 2014 World Cup design. Also the player who is wearing a black face mask is Robert Lewandowski, who joined Bayern in 2014 as a free agent, and the reason for the mask is due to an incident from the DFB Pokal's semi finals, which took place on 28th of April 2015. In the match against Borussia Dortmund, where the goalie hit him mid air on the head resulting a concussion. Not sure why the photographer inserted 2013 for the date of the photo taken but the photo was taken around the start of May 2015 Detektiv Prime (talk) 02:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He coached in mexico[edit]

in 2006 he coached dorados de.sinaloa 2600:1011:B18B:CC68:F1F8:321A:B567:9B0B (talk) 17:03, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

His Latest Contract Extension[edit]

Under the "Managerial Career - Manchester City" section, I see every "Contract renewal" has been mentioned, except for the most-recent one, where he extended his contract to "mid-2025". I think the agreement took place in 2022. Can somebody assist me by telling me where in the article text to put this statement? Or maybe somebody can do it for me?

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37634161/pep-guardiola-signs-manchester-city-contract-2025 ; https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/guardiola-extends-manchester-city-deal-2025-2022-11-23/ GeographicAccountant (talk) 11:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality[edit]

There is a Wikipedia RfC that reached the consensus to "if sources generally use a certain identity when referring to someone, and it is clear that the person self-identifies with that identity, to use that identity." I think this is one of the cases in which this should be done, as he has indeed made that clear. [3] [4]. So according to that it should be "a Catalan professional football manager" instead of "a Spanish professional football manager". Maybe, it should still be noted somewhere that the national team he played for was the Spanish National Team, but I think the starting biography should be changed. 2A02:A03F:64DD:3F00:74A2:C37D:CF48:116C (talk) 14:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template.
This seemed clear cut at first, but after reviewing the sources neither actually describe him as Catalan or Spanish. The first says he supports Catalan independence, but doesn't explicitly confirm he identifies as Catalan. The second quotes his biographer, but it is a deprecated source that can't be used. This could probably be settled with other sources but these seem inconclusive.
There's also been some back and forth editing on this recently, so it should be discussed before a change is made. @Dillbob07 and @Bsckr, you may want to weigh in since you've both changed this recently. Jamedeus (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Jamedeus, thank you for your answer, I definitely think more people should discuss it as I'm not 100% sure either, I tried contacting User talk:Scoelho86#Pep Guardiola as he reverted my edit but I got no answer.
What I disagree on is that he "doesn't explicitly confirm he identifies as Catalan.", in the BBC article they quote him saying "We Catalans, along with our democratic government and institutions, want to vote so we can decide [...]"
Regards, Bsckr (talk) 10:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, the BBC article is not in the original message, i meant this one. Bsckr (talk) 10:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2024[edit]

The beginning has a typo, it says “Pep Guardiola is a is a…” Ilyenkov (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done The mistake was fixed in this edit. Jamedeus (talk) 20:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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