Talk:Penarth Dock

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Cogan Pill[edit]

@Cymrogogoch: I think your edit that changed the description from "between Penarth Head and the River Ely" to "between Penarth Head and the Cogan Pill" is undesirable.

You have linked the disambiguation page Cogan instead of Cogan, Vale of Glamorgan
The description in Cogan, Vale of Glamorgan is somewhat confusing. It says "The area that would become Cogan was known as Cogan Pill for much of its history." and "The Pîl is no longer extant, having been developed into the Penarth Dock in the nineteenth century." It is unclear whether you are using Cogan Pill to mean the tidal reach of the River Ely (as in Pil (placename)) or district that is now known as Cogan.
'Cogan Pill' is not marked on the modern Ordnance Survey 1:25000 or 1:50000 maps,[1] nor on the 1920 25-inch map, which shows the original extent of the dock.[2]

However, the previous description "between Penarth Head and the River Ely" is unsatisfactory. Penarth Head can mean either the entire hill to the east of the railway, or its eastern edge to the south of the mouth of the Taff. The OS maps show the latter. I propose that we change the description to "on the south bank of the tidal reach of the River Ely". Verbcatcher (talk) 11:47, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objections, it was certainly tidal when the docks existed. Though "on the south bank of the mouth of the River Ely" may be slightly better, considering the Ely would have been tidal much further inland too. Sionk (talk) 19:37, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I also have no objection to the proposed change.

For info, Cogan Pill here refers to the inlet. The area was named for the inlet and the name "Cogan Pill" variously turns up referring to the area, the inlet and the house. I get your confusion, but it is used correctly here.

The OS maps you are using are all after the Pill's development into the dock. The pill (both as inlet and house) is however, on the 1811 OS map of Llantrisant:

http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/ordsurvdraw/l/zoomify82317.html

While I see your point for the confusion over Penarth head, I think it's still a good locator (Penarth Head is well known and often used as both a Landmark and a "Seamark"), it is still factually correct under both meanings.

Cymrogogoch (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]