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In the article it is mentioned that the Göktürks had called the European Avars also Varchonites (?). I'm not sure what is the source of this or what is the etymology of the exonym, however, it sounds suspiciously similar to the Slavic вьрхонити, which literally means "mountaineers" and figuratively - "people of high heritage" (stemming from varch < vьrхъ). Coincidently, the Caucasian name Avars has exactly the same meaning, i.e. "people of high heritage" or more literally - "mountaineers". On this account, is it possible the names of the Caucasian and the Pannonian Avars to have the same semantics?
Proto-Slavic as the Avar's language is a speculation, as the article itself acknowledges. It was almost certainly not the original language of Avars, so why is it listed as the first? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4C4E:24A5:B00:5190:4C67:FA03:2D8C (talk) 19:25, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To elaborate on the topic of Slavic in the Avar Khaganate, I must say the article provided is very fringe [(Curta, Florin (2004). "The Slavic lingua franca (Linguistic Notes of an Archeologist Turned Historian)" (PDF). East Central Europe. 31 (1): 132. doi:10.1163/187633004X00134]. It presents the idea that Common Slavic rapidly broke up after the fall of the Avars, which isn't true, because it doesn't account for the fact that Late Common Slavic (c. 800–1000) existed, so Slavic was likely still mutually intelligible after the breakup of the Avar Khaganate.
The Avars were known to have oppressed their subject Slavs, as is known from contemporary Bavarian writings. The Primary Chronicle is a later mix of earlier manuscripts and talks of similar oppression (using Dulebi Slav woman as draft horses for their carts!), perhaps exaggerated, but the language used is telling. The Avars didn't allow Slavs in high positions of power as the Bulgars did, which DID lead to Bulgars becoming assimilated by Slavs over a few hundred years. The Avars were strikingly homogenous in their ethnic makeup until the fall of the Khaganate which is when groups of Avars start fleeing to present day Northern Austria (Avarian Austria). If it counts, this may be when some mixed Avar elite may have adopted Slavic as a lingua franca.
The article also talks about bilingualism and how Slavic spread but that's a beast of its own. It either spread from agricultural community to agricultural community (as a lingua franca) or was spread by sheer masses of Slavs migration around. In my opinion the most likely explanation is the latter. This is also backed up by genetic evidence. The Slavs did assimilate locals where they went but also forcefully so. As a farmer outside the big cities (in the Balkans) you either tribalized, i.e. became a part of a Slavic tribe or you perished. The cities were native 'strongholds' for a while until they too assimilated into the majority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gibby01 (talk • contribs) 14:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, however, the "mistake" is probably because the article originally was called as Avar Khaganate. Will move the infobox from the lead to appropriate section.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 17:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone find something on the etymology of Avar? What with the alleged love for gold and hoarding of Huns and Avars, an exonym from avarus immediately comes to mind. I couldn't find anything about that though. In fact, I couldn't find any etymology ideas for Avar whatsoever. Giray Altay (talk) 13:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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