Talk:Pamplona

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Name change[edit]

I think we should change the name to Pamplona/Iruña, the official name.

Firstly, when moving pages, it is customary to also correct any double redirects. Secondly, however, policy is not necessarily to have articles on places at their official names, but at the names in which they are most commonly known in English. Therefore, I'm moving this back to Pamplona. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 13:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First Spanish city[edit]

I have changed town to city, as technically Pamplona is a city, and the first actual "town" would be Valcarlos, on the Spanish-French border.

External Links[edit]

I have removed a link to a personal site about Bardenas Reales (see article in Spanish), which is a desert to the south more related to Navarra than to Pamplona. Viracosha 11:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2Pamplona blog[edit]

Hi. Sorry 81.35.180.92 (talk · contribs) but I've reverted your revert adding back the link to 2Pamplona and I wanted to explain why. Wikipedia has some definite rules on what may be included in the External Links section. Blogs are very rarely included (see WP:ELNO, point 11). I notice from your comment here that you own the domain, which is another problem... because of conflicts of interest, you should avoid submitting a link to one of your own sites (see WP:EL#ADV). I hope that you continue contributing to the article in other ways though, as I'm sure you have a lot of local knowledge! Cheers, Basie (talk) 20:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am reverting your subsequent edits, removing the blog from the external links section. Please understand this isn't personal! I visited the site and reviewed it before removing it from the article the first time around. It's a really nice blog, but a blog it remains and one being added to Wikipedia by its author which is a clear conflict of interest. Perhaps you could discuss the matter here prior to adding the link a third time? I will drop a note on your talk page just to make sure you're aware of the discussion. Cheers, Basie (talk) 22:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

San Fermin[edit]

Both English and Chinese versions of San Fermin say that San Fermin starts on July 6. But both versions of this article, Pamplona, suggest that it starts on July 7. Which is correct?Heinrich ⅩⅦ von Bayern (talk) 10:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It begins the 6th with the chupinazo in the townhall plaza and lasts until the 14th. However San Fermin's day is the 7 so many times it is said that they last from the 7 to the 14.--Garrondo (talk) 08:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, thank you!Heinrich ⅩⅦ von Bayern (talk) 13:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No problem... I am from Pamplona myself and really like the festival. Right now Pamplona as every year goes cracy :-) Bests.--Garrondo (talk) 10:49, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the map is wrong[edit]

I was just in Pamplona and there's no way it's half way across spain. Compare it to the google map and you'll see it's firmly in the basque region in the northeast, not center east

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Pamplona,+Spain&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=47.435825,76.904297&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Pamplona,+Navarre,+Spain&ll=42.032974,-1.680908&spn=5.597478,9.613037&z=7 Kevin Osborn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.214.219 (talk) 02:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The location in your map and in the article is exactly the same, and it is correct.--Garrondo (talk) 06:10, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Star fort[edit]

The statement that the star fort was intended mainly for keeping locals in check is explained in the article Ciudadela de Pamplona (in Spanish), quoting a book chapter by Alicia Camacho (Muraria, Pamplona: Gobierno de Navarra, 2005), who is a prominent military architecture historian (I’ve not read the chapter itself but only the Spanish Wikipedia article). I would need to study this more in depth but I guess the goal of preventing insurrection was important during sixteenth century, but the dramatic improvements undertaken in the fort during the following two centuries were stimulated above all by the progresses showed by Vauban’s siege techniques and that the main fear of the Spanish monarchy was an invasion by the French military. Actually, I mentioned in my (imprudent) first edit “Vauban-style fortifications”… and, as is well known, Vauban techniques are more recent that the decision of erecting the Pamplona’s citadel and its first Italianate design… — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tradewater (talk • contribs) 17:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

El Sadar vs Reyno de Navarra[edit]

2005? 2006? 2011? 2013?

Actually[edit]

Can someone fix this?:

In the winter of 75–74 BC, the area served as a camp for the Roman general Pompey in the war against Sertorius. He is considered to be the founder of Pompaelo,[5] which became Pamplona, in modern Spanish. Actually it was the chief town of the Vascones, and they called it Iruña, 'the city'.

WikiParker (talk) 11:59, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi WikiParker, agree, will see to a better phrasing. As it happened in later Medieval times, there was a settlement and then the authority, usually a king or external force, gave it a charter (a certain organization) and erected/restored walls, in a way that they were incorporated into the domain of the new ruler. Iñaki LL (talk) 14:15, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I could not confirm your claim, it may have been so, but bibliography consulted points otherwise. In the mid 2000s, some interesting evidence was unearthed on the Castle Square (Plaza Castillo) with evidence of Vascones remains (what period???). Unfortunately, the mayor Yolanda Barcina ordered the destruction of the evidence, discarded to landfill, although some of it was rescued by heritage and cultural associations. Some articles or comments came to be written on a possible layer older than the recorded foundation of Pompaelopolis > Pompaelon (probably Pompaeio + ilun or ilo related to Basque irun and iri), but I have no trace of them. Iñaki LL (talk) 14:50, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pampeluna?[edit]

The lede gives this as the English form, but I've never heard of it. When I google it, all I get is Polish. Is there any evidence that Pamplona is called anything other than Pamplona in English? 155.213.224.59 (talk) 16:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is certainly somewhat bizarre, I have never seen that form in English. Iñaki LL (talk) 18:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's old-fashioned. Probably an editor saw it reading about he Peninsular War or something. Srnec (talk) 03:30, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yet, three years on, and nobody has fixed this. I'll do it now. Michael Bateman (talk) 16:00, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Iruñeko[edit]

The target gives the Basque as "Iruña" (and "Iruñea"), but does not mention "Iruñeko" anywhere, which I am guessing (from search results) is used as the adjectival form (e.g. "Iruñeko Planetarioa ", the planetarium). We have redirects Iruñeko and Iruneko but nothing to say about them... could we add something e.g. to the Infobox as a demonym? I don't know enough to do so myself. I've raised a discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_December_17#Iru.C3.B1eko. Si Trew (talk) 12:51, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it is a genitive and locative form of Iruñea/Iruña. Iruneko is just not right, it is an English spelling variant. I see no point in maintaining the redirect in English to be honest. Iñaki LL (talk) 23:03, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Iñigo Arista[edit]

Iñigo Arista appears listed as Enecco and Eneko at least twice throughout the article.

Those names have never appeared on any official documents and are just used on nationalist grounds to twist factual history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.57.0.230 (talk) 09:16, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pampeluna[edit]

Taking into account that Pampeluna is the English name by which the city was known during most of its history (it was used at least until the end of the XIX. century from what I know: see here), why would not it be that the name of this article? I am well aware that it is not the most commonly used name, but it is also true that "Pamplona" is a Spanish name, not English. So, being this an English language Wikipedia, should not the title of this page be "Pampeluna"? Of course, on the first sentence we would explain how the city is officially named "Pamplona" in Spanish and "Iruña" in Basque, Euskaltzaindia recommending "Iruñea" for Basque speakers. Enekorga (talk) 13:48, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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