Talk:Pakol

I have made a few changes to this page. First of all the hat is rarely worn in India, and even if it is it is a result of recent cultural exchanges during the past thirty years.

The hat originated in Gilgit and Chitral and not Nuristan, formerly Kafiristan. Before their conversion to Islam in 1895 the then Kafirs of the Hindukush never wore the kapol or any other form of headgear. Please refer to George Robertson's book Kafirs Of The Hindu Kush.

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was No move, request made by sock of an indef banned user, so the proposal is void. Parsecboy (talk) 02:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• Pakul → Pakol — This is the correct spelling and most common spelling as per Google search results. — NisarPakistani (talk) 02:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
  • If this is uncontroversial, we need more evidence than just google search results, which include many unrelated results. 87.115.19.244 (talk) 08:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
    • I copied these comments here from Wikipedia:Requested moves. Please discuss the move in this section. An administrator will be along in a few days to determine whether consensus exists for the move. Thanks!--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 17:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Notice that User:NisarPakistani is a sock of User:NisarKand --Enric Naval (talk) 18:00, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
        • I am the native speaker of Khowar language. the correct spelling of Chitrali cap is Kaphol not Pakul- Akbaralighazi (talk) 03:48, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Betascript Publishing reference

I've removed the following VDM Publishing reference: Lambert M. Surhone, Miriam T. Timpledon, Susan F. Marseken, Pakul, VDM Verlag Dr. Mller [sic] AG & Co. Kg, 2010, on Google books, ISBN 978-6130456955. --Playmobilonhishorse (talk) 04:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Chartinael (talk) 08:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

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Edit request on 10 October 2012

I would like to specify that this hat is also worn in north India, in Jammu Kashmir and Himachal Pradesh. In Jammu and Kashmir, it is worn everywhere amongst muslim communities. Jazzbass89 (talk) 03:46, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

 Not done, provide sources and format the request correctly please. gwickwire | Leave a message 01:51, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Nuristani origins False

The formerly non-Islamic people of the region that was known as Kafiristan, Today Nuristan, never wore the khapol. Several references for this exist on the internet including the primary source of Sir George Robertson entitled "Kafirs of the Hndu Kush". The kaifrs did wear turbans on ceremonial occasions but usually went about bare headed. Robertson mentions that a few in the Bashgal Valley, tributary to Chitral, wore it as a result of interaction with Chitralis. This hat most certainly did not originate in Nuristan and if anything the Nuristanis acquired it from the Khow people of Chitral. Thus please delete all comments saying that it is a Nuristani invention as that is a complete and utter falsehood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.47.220.16 (talk) 07:32, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

To be quiet fair, the nuristani's and chitralis are both dardic and are believed to be related to each other so its a shared hat. Also, Nuristanis never wore turbans, their neighbours the Pashtuns did though for ceremonial tribal practises. Akmal94 (talk) 02:13, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Actually true !!!

Nuristani AKA Kafiri (meaning People of Cyrus/Kūruš AKA کورش ) Are are Independent Unique Aryan people , closer to Iranian than Hindic tribes (Encluding Dardic) , the word kafiri is the indigenous Ethnic Ethnonyme before islamisation/Arabization and has nothing to do with ismlamic kafir ( Apophenia).

kapol was likely Macadonian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.39.198.37 (talk) 22:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Traditional belonging

@Stvs222:, Pakol is not an iranic cap, but a dardic cap rather from Chitral. And it is worn everywhere in Dardistan (extends from Kashmir to Nuristan in northern Indus valley) traditionally except Kashmir, which is also associated with other regions of India for its culture.

The hat is only worn rarely by some Pashtun and Tajiks, so why are you associating it with the Iranic peoples? That it is worn by them primarily! –Zhamidz (talk) 14:54, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

I recognise that it is a Dardic cap however it is worn throughout Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan by Pashtuns and Tajiks. It is not 'rarely worn', on the contrary is very widespread among these peoples so therefor to provide the most accurate information in regards to the Pakol cap, it only makes sense to include who wears it.

Types of Pakol

A subject that i will and must add are the different types and styles of Pakols that exist, for example in though the original Pakol was originally worn by Chitralis, diffrent ethnics have heir own unique styles. For Chitralis and Gb they usually wear a feathers. In Swat, they usually were a Pakol with twisted rims called the twisted Pakol,. In Waziristan, Pakistan and Khost Afghanistan, Pashtuns have their own unique style of a Pakol also referred to as "Waziristan Pakol" - It more elongated, and wider as well as larger than the typical Pakol shape almost exclusive to them

These different styles and types should be mention and ill also import wiki Common picture's of them. Thanks :) Kasim30345 (talk) 19:35, 15 August 2022 (UTC)