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I can see there has been some low key edit warring over Owen Hurcum's nationality, with @@Willthacheerleader18: proposing a compromise option of British, which has again been changed by an IP editor today. I personally prefer the compromise British option, which I have reverted it to, but am happy to change to something else if the consensus is on either English or Welsh instead of British. Dauwenkust (talk) 01:32, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My preference would be "British" too, without conclusive proof that Hurcum sees their nationality as something else. Evidently they were born and brought up in England but are active in politics in Wales. The intro can make it clear they are active in (North) Wales. Sionk (talk) 03:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Most sources say British so I would prefer having "British" as their nationality unless more reliable sources say otherwise. EN-Jungwon 08:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
born in England and has a UK passport. Ergo British and/or English. Drpoth33 (talk) 10:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have a strong opinion. Either "British" or "English born Welsh" or just "Welsh" sounds OK to me. They have lived in Wales for almost all of their adult life. They have served as a Welsh mayor and that sounds quite Welsh enough to me irrespective of where they were born. What I am strongly against is introduction of any snide insinuations that Hurcum is an outsider, an intruder, an opportunist or a johnny-come-lately. Whatever is decided here needs to be neutral and without either intentional or unintentional negative connotations. DanielRigal (talk) 18:02, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The reverted edit was rightly reverted, but the "Welsh" label now given was only added in May, along with a reference that just quotes them as saying you are Welsh if you feel Welsh. But is Hurcum a reliable source on what constitutes nationality? We don't need to debate the assertion - just note that the source does not reliably tell us anything here. Sources tend to treat them as British and per MOS:ETHNICITY, note a,
Decisions on which label to use should be determined through discussions and consensus. The label must not be changed arbitrarily. To come to a consensus, editors should consider how reliable sources refer to the subject, particularly UK reliable sources, and consider whether the subject has a preference on which nationality they identify by.
The discussion here notes that sources generally call them British, and even the cited source does not show that they call themself Welsh. There should be no negative connotations, this is very much agreed, but British implies no such connotations. I would suggest avoiding "English born" because that could be understood negatively. To support "Welsh" we need much better sourcing. So, in short, British will do here. I count 6 editors (myself included) who will accept British. Some prefer it, none oppose it. Per the Condorcet criterion, British has consensus.Sirfurboyđ (talk) 19:39, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
