Talk:Otto Abetz

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Whats with the catagory of 'teachers'? Was Otto a teacher? Should it be removed? Knobbly 22:37, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The start of the article mentions he was an art teacher at a girls' school before joining the foreign service. Can't hurt to include it, IMO. ― GrimRevenant 02:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

War criminal tag[edit]

I notice it has been removed, but if he was sentenced as a war criminal, shouldn't he be in this category? ― GrimRevenant 23:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see, the category itself has been removed... For completeness, added link to List of Nazi war criminals. ― GrimRevenant 02:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article was added to Category:War criminals – as he was convicted, I have moved it to the more accurate Category:People convicted of war crimes. ― GrimRevenant 09:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SS rank[edit]

If Abetz only joined the NSDAP in 1937 how could he have held rank in the SS as of 1934 as the chart appended to the article suggests? Either he was in fact a Nazi from an early date or he opportunistically joined the party in the late 30s to advance his diplomatic career. Neither option reflects well on the man but it cannot be both. 99.240.142.65 (talk) 18:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NSDAP Rule in France?[edit]

I took out the mention that post-Nov.11 1942 France was ruled by the German army and NSDAP - I removed mention of the NSDAP. I should not have and will replace it. Sorry. Parts of Northern France were clearly governed by a Reichskommissar of Belgien-Nordfrankreich. I should have measured twice and cut once! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brutus cassius (talk • contribs) 18:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Trial[edit]

Abetz cannot have appealed to the PCIJ in 1952, because it has been replaced by the ICJ in 1946. - Karl Stas (talk) 10:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Utterly confusing[edit]

The Reichsbanner did not bridge differences between Communists and Nazis. It was a mostly Social Democratic pro-republican paramilitary group. The discussion of Abetz's early life is just totally confusing - was he supposedly a member of Hitler Youth and the Reichsbanner at the same time? That seems unlikely. I've no idea what the truth is, but it doesn't seem to be this. john k (talk) 05:49, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Death[edit]

Apparently there is some suggestion that the 'car crash' was the work of Nazi hunters. Shouldn't this be mentioned? VenomousConcept (talk) 17:25, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"living and working like a self-styled autocrat"[edit]

I'm really at a loss as to what is meant with this phrase. A "self-styled autocrat" would, of course, be someone who describes themselves as an autocrat, whether or not they actually are an autocrat. So far as I know, Abetz never called himself an autocrat, and it really wouldn't have made any sense for him to do so, since his job had very little real executive authority. But it doesn't say he was a self-styled autocrat, simply that he lived and worked like one; on. Is there some specific form of living and working that we're expecting the reader to associate with "a person who may or may not be an autocrat, but nevertheless describes himself as one"? I can't think what that would be, but whoever wrote the line apparently feels that there is one. To confuse things further, the line appears in a paragraph dedicated to describing how Abetz's role was fundamentally that of a propagandist, and--though most autocrats do use it--propaganda is itself basically unautocratic, since it seeks to persuade, while autocracy by definition has no need of persuasion. Perhaps it's just meant to be "living and working like a plutocrat" or something like that? Binabik80 (talk) 15:46, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]