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Stop lying[edit]

Stop changing the results and losses tirk. Serok62 (talk) 13:28, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stop editing without sources[edit]

The page now has proper sources and no ultranationalistic propaganda from both sides. Leave it as it is please. HidirArdic (talk) 14:15, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On operation murat and winter campaign of 1994-95[edit]

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Why are you trying to change the topics of these channels when im literally giving out proper proof? The proof youre using for operation murat are from an article when the operation was ONGOING the proof i placed was an article updated after the operation had ENDED For the campaign, the campaign was done THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SOUTHEAST TURKEY, no few tens turkish soldiers dead, same with the kurds, check the casualties in kurdish turkish campaign for 1994-1995. TRAVERA1 (talk) 01:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have seen the names of the "martyrs". But there is no operation Murat in the source. You also removed sources and now I am trying to figure out what the sources from before and your sources say. Please bring sources that say operation Murat. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:17, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I found out that the text of Operation Murat is either a trimmed copy paste from a google translation of the source or you have a similar translation technique like google translate. It's ok for me, but I am not sure if for Diannaa as well. But that the victims died in the same operation is unsourced and I am not sure what the privacy policy states on their mention. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The listed soldiers are there because if you check where they were killed they are in the zone of the operation, the dates match up with operation murat aswell. TRAVERA1 (talk) 02:58, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thats not how sourcing works. Maybe there was another enemy in that zone? And terrorism in Turkey, ... maybe a few children flashed the victory sign or demanded education in Kurdish language

(this is terror in Turkey) and the soldiers died for this? We don't know. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How could there be another enemy in that zone? If so, they are apart of the operation and they are to be wiped out. Also stop saying as if kurds are being oppressed, there are literal sections for you to study in university about the kurdish language and history. TRAVERA1 (talk) 09:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have never said in our conversation Kurds are being oppressed. Anyway, doesn't matter, the soldiers dying from the Operation Murat is unsourced. They died and this is sourced, but from Operation Murat not and that article is about Operation Murat. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:45, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What youre saying is like, lets say, a german soldier was killed in the area conducted inside of operation barbarossa during ww2, the dates match wehn the operation barbarossa is going on and you say that "he wasnt killed in operation barbarossa" TRAVERA1 (talk) 21:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe you could add the name of a dead soldier of Operation Barbarossa if the source doesn't mention Operation Barbarossa. I requested page protection for now. If you insist, I believe you are heading for a block. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fine delete them then TRAVERA1 (talk) 14:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But then you have to delete the amount of turkish soldiers killed in the infobox because in no where it mentions a single soldier being killed so you gotta make it literally 0, up to you TRAVERA1 (talk) 14:58, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also the Milliyet source has Military officers reporting... I am trying to find other sources on that operation as well. I found a good one, but it is not as detailed as we wish. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 16:23, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you are right with the deaths, but we can not source it yet, I am sorry. If a name of the ones in your source is the same as the one in an other source which mentions operation Murat, it gets better. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 16:43, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where was Operation Murat?[edit]

In the previous version of the article, operation Murat was centered in Hakkari, in the current version, (which I believe the most for now) it is centered in the triangle Diyarbakir Bingöl, Bitlis, in this source the operation was directed at a 500 strong PKK detachment in Iraq. Could someone help to find a solution to the mystery of three operations with the same name but different locations? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 17:42, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In the previous article they just said its hakkari even tho in the sources given, non mention it being in hakkari. https://web.archive.org/web/20090910074416/http://ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut/val/sospo/vk/koivunen/theinvis.pdf This source, used by previous editors however uses a pro-kurdish and kurdish nationalist newspaper as a source (Özgürlük 1999) in page 102. I think the source you gave mightve taken a look from the pdf i have given. TRAVERA1 (talk) 02:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong subject.[edit]

Operation murat (murat karayilan) was an operation to capture and kill murat karayilan. This wikipedia page got revamped to false stuff. 213.7.170.36 (talk) 11:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]