Talk:Operation Kutuzov

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Expand[edit]

I'm looking to expand this article a little. Any help would be great. Dapi89 (talk) 20:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Casualty count[edit]

Obviously it's referenced, but I can't currently access a copy of the referenced work. Actually I am wondering how the Germans could lose almost 130.000 more men than they had. Inconsistent information, typo, contradicting sources? NoisyJinx (talk) 13:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

? Blablaaa (talk) 01:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Empty citations[edit]

Some of the citations (precisely "Koltunov") in this article are not complete and are simply impossible to make out. And since they are not in the list of references and the in-text citation only show last name and page numbers (no year or title), these "citations" are essentially nonexistent and the info they support can never be verified since there is no identifiable source to begin with. Should these be flagged with {citation need}? It will be better if someone familiar with the last name "Koltunov" and his/her works intervenes. EyeTruth (talk) 19:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tretʹi︠a︡ armii︠a︡ : istorii︠a︡, li︠u︡di, podvigi / [avtor-sostavitelʹ G.A. Koltunov]. Moskva : Ergo-Press, 1995 ISBN 5870810183; this may be the work referred to (details from the British Library catalogue).--Johnsoniensis (talk) 19:20, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Grigory Koltunov was also the author of "Альбом схем" [Moscow, 1970]; "Огненная дуга" Москва : Ордена Трудового Красного Знамени Военное издательство Министерство обороны СССР, 1973.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 19:29, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Same problem with "Zhukov p. 188." Obviously his memoirs, but does the page refer to the Russian edition? German? English? French?...Isidorpax (talk) 18:30, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

English edition, apparently. This text was copied from this revision of the main Kursk article. Kges1901 (talk) 18:54, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Koltunov is from the article Курская битва в цифрах in Воен.-ист. журнал. 1968. Page numbers match up with what Frieser cites. Kges1901 (talk) 20:35, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Soviet and Russian sources[edit]

In the 2015 edition of When Titans Clashed, Glantz recommends the following: Petr Bukeikhanov, Kurskaia bitva—Nastuplenie: Operatsiia “Kutuzov,” Operatsiia “Polkovodets Rumiantsev” Iiul’–avgust 1943 [The Battle of Kursk—Counteroffensive: Operation “Kutuzov,” Operation “Commander Rumiantsev” July–August 1943] (Moscow: “Tsentropoligraf,” 2013), 9–325; “Proryv oborony na flange orlovskoi gruppirovki nemtsev” [Penetration of defenses on the flank of the enemy Orel group], SMPIOV, no. 10 (1944); I. Bagramian, “Flangovi udar 11-i gvardeiskoi armii” [The flank attack of 11th Guards Army], VIZh 7 (July 1963): 83–95; and L. Sandalov, “Brianskii front v orlovskoi operatsii” [The Briansk Front in the Orel operation], VIZh 8 (August 1963): 62–72. Kges1901 (talk) 20:50, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The other Soviet counter-offensive[edit]

"Operation Kutuzov was one of two large-scale Soviet operations launched as counteroffensives against Operation Citadel." What is the name of the other one? I would like to link to it but I don't see it in this article but perhaps I am too tired and not seeing it. Peter4Truth (talk) 22:08, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

added reference to the Donbas offensive Tinelva (talk) 17:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]