Talk:Oenomaus of Gadara

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Clean-up[edit]

I gave this page a little bit of a clean-up, dividing the article into sections, etc. But I removed two passages, which didn't make much sense to me, and seemed to count quite heavily as WP:OR. The first passage concerned the question as to whether Oenomaus is the same person as the Abnimos mentioned in Jewish sources:

Possibly, there may be a connection through the question (Ḥag. 15b) posed by Abnimos ha-Gardi concerning dyeing, if it can be accepted that there is a relevance to the statement in the Gospel of Philip 54"seventy-two+colors"+Levi&source=bl&ots=s Bart D. Ehrman : Lost Scriptures. Oxford University Press. p. 42 concerning the mingling of all the dye-colors to produce white: for all the colors in the rainbow are indicated in the name of the river Iris ('Rainbow') whose estuary was close by the isle of Ares, who was the father[Robert Graves : The Greek Myths. 1955. §109.b] of the mythic Oenomaus. Furthermore, the mention of "wool" in the question by Abnimos ha-Gardi may be an allusion (via /GDēRāh/ 'sheepcote'[Strong : Hebrew & Aramaic Dictionary of Bible Words.]) to /GaDaRa/.

I don't know if any textbooks make use of this argument. The argument seems to be that because Abnimos asked a question about dyeing, there's some sort of vague connection to Iris, who is vaguely connected to Ares who is connected to the mythic Oenomaus.

The second passage I removed was this one:

This historic Oinomaos of Gadara alludes to his namesake the legendary Oenomaus in his allegation that "An ass ... or a flea can be the First Cause"[Donald R. Dudley : A History of Cynicism. London : Methuen & Co., 1937. p. 169] : for 'ass' is the meaning of[Robert Graves : The Greek Myths. 1955. vol. 2, p. 386a] the name /Killos/[Robert Graves : The Greek Myths. 1955. §109.g] of the charioteer of the mythic Oinomaos; and 'flea' is the meaning of[Robert Graves : The Greek Myths. 1955. vol. 2, p. 407a] the name /Psullē/[Robert Graves : The Greek Myths. 1955. §109.d] of one of the mares of the mythic Oinomaos. It is likely that this Cynic philosopher adopted (as sobriquet) the name "Oinomaos" in order to complement the Paphlagonian birth-place of Diogenes; on the basis that the mythic character Pelops, who was king of[Robert Graves : The Greek Myths. 1955. §109.a] Paphlagonia, became son-in-law of the mythic Oinomaos.

Again, I can't find any textbooks (including Dudley's) which says that Oenomaus is actually alluding to a charioteer and a mare belonging to the mythic Oenomaus. Likewise, I can't find any textbooks which can back-up the claim that Oenomaeus chose his name "in order to complement the Paphlagonian birth-place of Diogenes." Singinglemon (talk) 00:49, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]