Talk:Norman Cob

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Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 19, 2013.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that members of the Norman Cob horse breed represent France in international driving competitions?
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bidet horse[edit]

Just a comment that I'm not sure if "bidet horse" is a true type, or if it just means "a small horse." See here, of note, it appears that the bathroom fixture, the bidet got its name from the animal, because you straddle it. We may want to look at that history a bit more. Montanabw(talk) 20:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

From the article on it from the French WP (this is a link to the Google translation), it seems to be a true type, similar perhaps to the rouncey? Anyway, I've finished the bulk of the translation. Tomorrow I plan to expand the lead, do general cleanup, ask Amelie to take a look, and probably toss it up for DYK. Dana boomer (talk) 23:52, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, article bidet horse in fr. explain that very well, this is a name for a small horse and historically there was 2 breeds of bidet, the Morvan horse and the bidet breton. --Tsaag Valren (talk) 12:50, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
lol, cheval carrossier translated with "horse bodybuilder" ! --Tsaag Valren (talk) 12:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I thought that was quite funny too! Is there an actual English translation that is used in France? Most of the translation tools don't deal well with technical terms, which is one of the reasons I like to have you look over the articles, in case I was led astray by a weird translation. Dana boomer (talk) 13:28, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's interesting, and I think you are right that we are close to something of a type akin to the rouncy -- the all-purpose type. Maybe un-wikilink for now until we sort out how we want to write about them! Montanabw(talk) 20:17, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
cheval carrossier = light draft horse, we have a distinction between heavy draft horse for agriculture, and light draft horse, "carrossier" means "who pull carriages". Carriage horse perhaps ? --Tsaag Valren (talk) 22:12, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Probably now the heavy warmblood. Tricky to sort "type" from "breed" -- pedigrees and breed registries not being a big thing until the 19th century and all... Montanabw(talk) 23:28, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Jimfbleak (talk · contribs) 08:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I ought to review a horse article in view of the horsemeat in burgers furore here. OK, first read through

  • Several duplicated links in main text (excluding lead), esp. thoroughbred, but there are others
  • OK, I think I took care of all of these. - DB
  • Article name should not usually appear in captions
  • Sometimes, that's an IAR situation, for example, to say "a mare" in the one photo caption would be ambiguous, the point is that it is of that breed, just for example--MontanaBW
  • First, there's no rule (that I've ever seen) that says this. Second, I've removed a few of the usages in captions (including the mare one, because it's obvious we're talking about a Norman Cob). I left one, because the previous two images had been of other related breeds/types, so I wanted to make sure it was obvious that we were back to the title subject. - DB
  • Be consistent with giving publisher locations, all or none
  • Done. - DB
  • Cob normand — of the four possible combinations of capitals and lc, this seems the least likely, please assure me it's correct, voir aussi cette.
  • I capitalized "Normand" -- I think it's a typo, but Dana can revert me if I'm wrong. --Montanabw
  • Yup, "Normand" should be capitalized. My mistake. - DB
  • half-Thoroughbred — looks odd, I assume it's correct capitalisation?
  • Yes, because in this context the Thoroughbred is a breed, hence a proper noun. But I replaced it with "Thoroughbred cross" as that seems to vflow a bit better (Dana, if that's messing with the nuance, revert me!) --Montanabw
  • The capitalization was correct (as MTBW says, it's a proper noun, as it's a specific breed name), but TB cross works too, and is probably less eye-jarring. - DB
  • bidets — I'm not sure that I want to know the answer, but why so called?
  • LOL! Good question, actually. "bidet" is also the French word for pony or small horse, a use that predates the invention of the plumbing fixture, and actually that name came from, well, you can figure that part out... =:-O --Montanabw
  • "breed" — I appreciate it's hard to avoid, but the second para in particular seems to overuse this word
  • I think I've addressed this. - DB
  • crossed their horses on — I'd say "with", is this standard horse-talk?
  • Both are used and both are correct. But I'll defer to Dana for any fixes --Montanabw
  • As MTBW says, either is correct, but I changed to your suggested wording, as it's probably more common in the non-horse world. - DB
  • more well known — better known?
  • Fixed. --MontanaBW
  • imported from Britain — "from England" is possibly more accurate, but I'll leave that with you
  • I suppose the question is if we are talking geography or politics? --Montanabw
  • I changed it to "from England", as this is where the Norfolk Trotter was generally bred. - DB

I may add to this after a second read, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jim, I sometimes help out Dana boomer with articles she's taking to GA and have made a couple comments that I hope explain matters a bit. I'll leave the major edits to her, as she has quicker access to the source material. But thanks for being the reviewer and we're glad you are here! Montanabw(talk) 00:36, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks from me as well! I think between Montanabw and I, we've addressed all of the comments above. Please let us know of any further issues you find. Thanks again, Dana boomer (talk) 00:58, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Purely as a style thing, I'd be inclined to right-align the last image too, but that's not a matter for GAN. I've been through again, no further issues, so let's do the deed Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:49, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Thank you, Jim! Montanabw(talk) 19:21, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anglo-Norman[edit]

This link does not direct to the horse breed. Kortoso (talk) 18:34, 10 June 2013 (UTC) Fixed. Oh, and you're welcome! :) Kortoso (talk) 18:38, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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