Talk:Newark Liberty International Airport/GA2

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Reviewer: MyCatIsAChonk (talk · contribs) 23:01, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]


I'll start my review now! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 23:01, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MyCatIsAChonk Sounds great. Jibreel23 (talk) 00:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MyCatIsAChonkI did all the suggestions you made except "Inevitably, the airport was close for months" as I could not find a source saying how many. Jibreel23 (talk) 00:48, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MyCatIsAChonk I noticed you did not cross out the TWA suggestions so I went ahead and corrected that again. I changed "when the airport" to "with the airport". Jibreel23 (talk) 02:08, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jibreel23 Thanks for changing it so quickly! I'm still reviewing, and I'll notify you when I'm finished. Thanks! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 14:12, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MyCatIsAChonk I believe I corrected all the mistakes you put. If there is anything new or I missed anything, or just possibly made another error please let me know. Jibreel23 (talk) 22:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jibreel23 Wow, you're a fast editor; thank you for the fixes! I'm still reviewing (this article is a bit long!) but I hope to be done in the coming days. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 01:52, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MyCatIsAChonk I believe I corrected all the new suggestions. Also thanks for cleaning up the citations in the bus and train areas. Jibreel23 (talk) 00:47, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jibreel23 Getting real close to being done here! I've gone through everything except "Accidents and disasters". See my notes below for why; once everything is all set, it's good to go. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 02:26, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MyCatIsAChonk I was able to a find a FedEx route map, but besides that I could not find anything else especially not recently. Other than that I am glad we are almost done I started work on this in February of last year! 300 edits later it could finally be a GA. Jibreel23 (talk) 03:01, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MyCatIsAChonk I just chopped down the accidents and disasters section to comply with the WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT. Jibreel23 (talk) 03:05, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jibreel23 The coveted check has been given; congratulations! You've implemented all my suggestions quickly, and I appreciate the timeliness. My suggestions for next steps would be to archive a lot of the citations to prevent link rot, and also to keep a close eye on any news about the opening of Terminal A and expansion of the PATH network. Are you planning on nominating this for Did you know? MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 03:29, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MyCatIsAChonk Than you so much I really appreciate it. I will continue to maintain, and expand the article with the suggestions you made. I might nominate this for DYK in the future. But thank you so very much for being easy-going, and doing a good review I have spent a year on this, and now its a GA! My first GA! Jibreel23 (talk) 13:08, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
  • Out of them Newark is the oldest. This seems grammatically odd to me; maybe "Newark is the oldest of the three" or "Out of the three, Newark is the oldest."
  • Newark serves 50 carriers and is the third-largest hub for United Airlines after Chicago O'Hare and Houston George Bush Intercontinental serving about 63% of passengers at the airport making it the largest tenant at the airport. I don't quite understand this; maybe there's a missing comma or something. What does it mean by "serving about 63% of passengers at the airport"? Is this 63% of United Airlines passengers? I suggest you clarify this.
  • United Airlines, American Airlines, Eastern Airlines, and TWL signed 10-year leases when the airport which ended in 1938. Then they would pay on a month-to-month basis until LaGuardia Airport opened in December 1939 Something is missing here (between "when the airport" and "which ended"), and I can't view the citation because the pages aren't in the Google Books preview. Also, I've never heard of TWL; do you mean TWA?
  • Inevitably, the airport was closed for some months How many?
  • In the 1970s, the airport became Newark International Airport. "In the 1970s" is repeating a phrase stated at the start of the previous sentence. What year (and if possible, the month) was the name changes?
  • Unlike the other two major New York–area airports, JFK and LaGuardia, which are located directly next to large bodies of water (Jamaica Bay and the East River, respectively) and whose runways extend at least partially out into them, Newark Airport, while located just across Interstate 95 from Newark Bay and not far from the Hudson River, does not directly front upon either body of water, so the airport and its runways are completely land-locked. This is a run-on sentence; consider chopping it into smaller bits.
  • Garage P4 can be accessed from this garage using the AirTrain. This garage? What's this referring to?

Everything looks good now.

1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
  • The entire Terminals section has some issues regarding WP:NOTTRAVEL, like how it details specifically where the ticketing counters for certain airlines are. I suggest cleaning this up (if not just shortening). I would like to note that the stuff about renovations should be kept.
  • Again, the ground transportation section suffers from some WP:NOTTRAVEL issues. I suggest going through and removing anything uncecessary (e.g. A fee for the AirTrain is included with rail ticket purchases, with the exception of children 11 and younger and customers using monthly passes with the airport as the origin or destination.)
  • The "Accidents and incidents" section needs to be chopped down, per WikiProject Aviation's guidelines at WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT. The criteria states that the only accidents that should be listed are those in which people on the plane/ground were hurt or killed, major damage was done to an aircraft or the airport itself, or the accident caused a change in rules/procedures. A number of the listed accidents don't fit these criteria, so please go through and cut some out.

Everything has been fixed.

2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
  • 139 has been decommissioned since 138 became a 2 jet bridge gate. Citation needed.
  • The Terminal C section needs citations for the Global Gateway project.
  • Taxis serving the airport charge a flat rate based on destination. Citation needed
  • Citations are needed for the FedEx sections in the list of cargo carriers. I think that the details should not be removed, but you need to find a citation; the old ones were dead and didn't list the full information.

All good now.

2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). Citations are all good; quotations are properly cited and there are no bare URLs.
2c. it contains no original research. No original research visible; statements/claims are cited.
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. Earwig shows no copyvios or plagiarism.
  • Aeroterm operates buildings 339 and 340. United Airlines cargo facility was constructed in 2001. The FedEx Cargo Complex completed a $60-million expansion of a state-of-the-art automated sort facility at its Newark Regional Hub, which now includes Buildings 347, 156 and most of 155. UPS completed construction of their new cargo building in 2019. Building 157 is a multi-tenant cargo building completed in 2003. There's some pretty noticeable plagiarism from the cited PANYNJ website (under the facilities dropdown), almost word for word. Please correct this.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. Article follows the inclusion standards in WikiProject Aviation.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
  • Newark was the only New York area airport used by Philippine Airlines (PAL), until financial problems in the late 1990s caused it to terminate this service. In March 2015, PAL resumed service to the New York metropolitan area routing to JFK instead of Newark, following the removal of the Philippines from the air safety blacklist of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). In my opinion, this isn't really necessary; sure, the airline did at one point go to Newark, but because a majority of the statement is about it's move to JFK, it doesn't seem necessary.
  • LVI Services performed asbestos removal in February 2004, until complete demolition of the tower in July 2004, by LVI Demolition Services Inc. This is not necessary, it was already stated when the building was demolished and asbestos removal isn't too interesting.

All good now, content is focused.

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. No visible bias within the article.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. No edit wars or disputes.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. Media is correctly tagged; fair use image at the top (the airport's logo) has correct non-free use rationale.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. Images are relevant and captioned appropriatly; some were a bit small, but I slightly increased them to make them more visible.
7. Overall assessment. After many changes, it's finally all set. See the discussion above for my final thoughts. Thanks!