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Since Getty's coming out, there have been three times where the article has been updated to share this information and both times it has been removed without explanation. The information is backed by primary sources and I'm just wondering why these edits continue to be reverted to the point where it would be considered edit-warring even though it is accurate. digiulio8 (talk) 01:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone explain why this source is being treated as unreliable here, but reliable enough to not need to link to on Gigi's page?[edit]
Given how Nats has been consistently referred to with he/him pronouns by his wife, you'd think that would make her a reliable source of information, and any video used to prove such a thing to be true would be acknowledged instead of being discarded as if it were untrue, and yet that is exactly what is happening, when Gigi's coming out video as pan in which she refers to him, using he/him pronouns is used as an example of such a thing being the case, it's dismissed and any acknowledgement of such a fact is removed from the article along with the link to the video, and yet on Gigi's own page in the personal life section the self-same video is quoted, the quote of course is an example of Gigi referring to Nats using he/him pronouns, yet this page relies on Nats earlier statement that he was okay with being referred to using she/her pronouns whilst still figuring out what pronouns felt right to him, however that doesn't seem to be the case anymore, since as mentioned earlier Gigi has consistently used he/him pronouns when referring to Nats since then, even the fact that she's referred to him as her husband doesn't seem to mean anything to the people working on the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c5:a201:1e00:40ed:5d8e:e1f4:9524 (talk) 17:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The policy at hand is WP:Self-published sources. A video made by Gigi Gorgeous about herself is valid for items such as gender identity. However, a self-published source cannot be used for information about another person: we can't use her statement for information about Getty. We would either need a statement from Getty directly, or we'd need to go with something in a reliable independent source. I did a Google News search, and the stories I read carefully avoided pronouns for Getty, although one did use "they" when a sentence absolutely required one. —C.Fred (talk) 19:03, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I thought the recent changes to the pronouns had come with a cited secondary source about the change. I don't see one, so I have boldly reworded the article to avoid pronouns altogether. —C.Fred (talk) 18:34, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As demonstrated by the exclusive use of he/him in a recent interview with Inked Magazine, his use of he/him on his Instagram which can be seen if you view it through the app, and on the celebrate pride page for Saks Fifth Avenue, so if someone could just update the page to reflect this new information...that would be most appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c5:a201:1e00:78c8:339b:6410:1483 (talk) 18:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a link to the interview? —C.Fred (talk) 18:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Quote from Getty in the article: "...I don't identify as a woman, but as a trans guy." Not a clear declaration of the pronouns, but sure does tip the scale toward he/him. Further, the publication made the editorial decision to use he/him. —C.Fred (talk) 19:36, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That states his pronouns point blank and looks like it was done in connection with him. That works in my book. —C.Fred (talk) 15:10, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
