Talk:National symbols of Slovenia

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Not finished yet[edit]

Let me just point out here that the article isn't complete yet. This is the basic article that I will rework into a more detailed one. Nerby (talk) 19:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a question for any bypassers: Linden or lime? Which is more appropriate? Nerby (talk) 20:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Slovene vs. Slovenian[edit]

It has been argued for some time whether "slovene" or "slovenian" is the more appropriate expression. No naming convention has been formed so far - Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Slovenian vs Slovene). Since the prevailing opinion seems to be that the term "slovene" corresponds to ethnicity, so the nation, and means "of the slovenes" and that the term "slovenian" means "of Slovenia" - see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Slovenian vs Slovene) - that is how I used them in this article. Do not edit war. Nerby (talk) 20:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Newly Added National Symbols[edit]

The newly added national symbols don't really seem like national symbols to me.
Taken from [1]Cambridge Dictionaries Online:
1 a sign, shape or object which is used to represent something else.
2 something that is used to represent a quality or idea.
3 a number, letter or sign used in mathematics, music, science, etc.
4 An object can be described as a symbol of something else if it seems to represent it because it is connected with it in a lot of people's minds.

Number 3 clearly isn't relevant here. Number 2 falls out since Slovenia isn't an idea but a country and to consider it a quality would be subjective.

1)King Matjaž - We have no idea how he looked, so the first definition is out. As for number 4, he isn't an object, he is a person. A grafical representation of a person would however be acceptable, but as far as I know no grafical representation(imaginary ofc, since we don't know how he looked) has caught on.

2)Lake Bled - I'm not sure about this one, while I think it's beautiful and a great tourist attraction it doesn't seem to represent Slovenia, more like just Bled or Upper Carniola.

3)Gospa Sveta-Maria Saal - It's in Austria and although it was originally built in Carantania I don't think anyone thinks of it as a representation of Slovenia.

4)Aljažev Stolp - A part of Triglav so it's already represented with just "Triglav" and if anybody clicks on the link the first thing that pops out is, yes, Aljažev stolp. Again, I don't think it could represent the whole country.

5)Zdravljica - Not a sign, shape or object.

6)Slovenska Potica - It is a great culinary representation of Slovenia when someone is searching for Slovene national foods, but I have never seen anyone look at a nutt roll and go "mmm... Slovenia".

7)Freising Manuscripts - These go down as historical documents. They aren't enough well known to represent the country and, more importantly, they're too damn long.

If there is no objection I will delete these in a couple of days. I guess I should've also been more clear about the Olm, the Carniolan honey bee, the Lipizzan, the Carnation, the Zlatorog... being meant as graphical representations of these. I'll probably leave Kozler's map on though. Nerby (talk) 20:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. Nerby (talk) 18:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wrt Triglav, consider that virtually no one questioned putting it on the national flag after independence. It didn't become a symbol after it became part of the flag, it became part of the flag because it already was a symbol, maybe *the* symbol. (Goes back to regional pagan mythology, although I doubt most realise that.) Wrt Kral Matjaž, decide whether King Arthur serves that function for Britain, and then give Matjaž the same status.

I agree that the others are representative parts of culture and geography rather than symbols. (Although you did make my mouth water when you mentioned potica!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.26.183 (talk) 05:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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