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Notable TV Appearances[edit]

Nat King Cole appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show (Season 9, 404.9-26 18-Mar-1956) with Cesare Siepi (not: Cesare Siep"e"), the famous opera singer, considered to have been one of the finest basses of the post war period. (For more information, see WIKIPEDIA (english) about this italian opera singer). I shall correct this in the main article--91.21.126.181 (talk) 13:29, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Death reason[edit]

The article currently, 2016, states: "In September 1964, Cole began losing weight and suffering from severe back pain.".

However had, it is not clear as to WHY he lost weight. It also is not clear why he died either. Can the article be made more accurate here? Surely the reason as to why he lost weight could be mentioned in the very first sentence. 2A02:8388:1600:C80:BE5F:F4FF:FECD:7CB2 (talk) 16:46, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

gunilla hutton[edit]

What about the kid he had with gunilla hutton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.40.214.212 (talk) 18:04, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Smaller section within Legacy[edit]

Cole was so influential, a number of people named their children after him. Is there such a precedent in this biographical entries, including this kind of info? A21sauce (talk) 19:51, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Cole both did, and did not, continue to perform in the South?[edit]

The article reads, "In 1956 Cole was assaulted on stage during a concert in Birmingham, Alabama ... He did not finish the concert and never again performed in the southern United States ... Cole said he wanted to forget the incident and continued to play for segregated audiences in the south."

So which is it? Did he "never" perform in the US South again, or did he continue to perform as the next paragraph says? I don't know much about Cole (which is why I was reading the article) but they can't both be correct. IAmNitpicking (talk) 11:45, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. Looks like I'll have to consult the books on that one. It wasn't a very good article to begin with. It's good that you caught that.
Vmavanti (talk) 15:33, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

His daughter not in Lede[edit]

His daughter was notable enough to be somewhere other than a footnote in this article.--169.0.4.50 (talk) 14:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Happy 100th![edit]

Nat King Cole - Autumn Leaves — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.6.219.161 (talk) 19:40, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Place/Date of Birth?[edit]

The short bio stats give his birthplace as Montgomery, AL. However, the actual paragraph of the article's bio section says that he was born in NYC. Which is it? He's also given two different birthdays. Mpaniello (talk) 05:31, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of Cole as pianist[edit]

He's an important and outstanding jazz pianist, yet that's hardly mentioned. The records he made as sideman pianist are mentioned nowhere. Why does the the list of recordings not mention those where he wasn't leader? That's not the usual pattern for a musician page.

I learnt about his playing from musicians recommending the Lester Young Trio record - with Buddy Rich and Lester Young, perhaps the greatest in the world on their instruments at the time, he not only holds his own - doing the work of a bass player as well! - he steals the show. And he was influential: "His deep "groove," harmonic awareness, supple phrasing, touch, dynamics, taste, and just plain delicious music had a profound effect on the following, to name only a few: Oscar Peterson, Hank Jones, Tommy Flanagan, Al Haig, Bill Evans, Wynton Kelly, Ahmad Jamal, Monty Alexander, and many others..." i.e. most of the leading jazz pianists of the 1950s. https://jazzprofiles.blogspot.com/2011/07/nat-king-cole-jazz-pianist.html 122.106.31.40 (talk) 04:41, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Citizen Kane[edit]

The claim that Nat King Cole appears in the film Citizen Kane is apocryphal and has been debunked. It arose through a misunderstanding of a casual remark Orson Welles once made about seeing Cole perform in a Los Angeles nightclub in the early 1940s. I deleted this particular film credit from the summary at the end of the article, but the deleted credit was restored and continues to be presented as though factually true when it is utterly erroneous misinformation, i.e. a falsehood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.83.213 (talk) 21:21, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comment, confirmed (to my satisfaction, at least) at https://citizenkanebook.com/citizen-kane-faq/#didNat . I've reverted the false information. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:35, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fight with casino boss[edit]

In “ The Green Felt Jungle”, the 1963 expose of Las Vegas, the appendix at the end says Cole knocked out the boss at a casino - a mobster. Usualy a risky move, but there was so much negative publicity about Vegas at the time, and Cole was so well known, that nothing came of it. Any info on this incident? 2A00:23C3:E284:900:F120:6586:B3DD:42D1 (talk) 18:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems quite strange to me that's Stardust/Star Dust Is not mentioned. Why?[edit]

I mean, his "Love is the Thing" album is his only number one album. Could that be because Stardust is on it? 464hudson (talk) 22:13, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the Discography page, it was one of his more minor hits, in 1957. Why do you think it needs to be mentioned separately? Having said that, there is a lot of work needed in this article on his musical career. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:45, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Needs editing[edit]

In the section on "Illness and death" this sentence suddenly pops in, it seems, out of nowhere: "His father died of heart problems on February 1."

Say what? What does this have to do with Cole's illness and death? His father had barely been mentioned previously in the article, and not at all previously in the section. While this may be interesting information, it seems like it should be somewhere else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk) 02:24, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reference leads to Cyrillic blank pages?[edit]

So, for Reference 5, the "Archived" link (for me) leads to ... a Cyrillic-alphabet page on the Wayback machine that doesn't actually contain the book. Is it just my setup? IAmNitpicking (talk) 22:37, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cole's psuedonyms[edit]

Several sources indicate that Cole recorded using various psuedonyms, in order to avoid problems with Capitol, which had him under contract. One biography lists his aliases as Eddie Laguna, Sam Schmaltz, Nature Boy and A Guy, "or whatever name for himself he could think of, but only as an instrumentalist, never as a vocalist."[1] Discogs.com lists "Shorty" Nadine, Aye Guy, Eddie Laguna, Lord Calvert (2), Nature Boy (14), and The "King" as aliases.[2]

This information should be in the article somewhere, perhaps in relation to Capitol Records. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 00:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Ruuth, Marianne (1992). Nat King Cole. Melrose Square Black American series. Los Angeles: Melrose Square Pub. Co. p. 66. ISBN 9780870675935. OCLC 26884864. Retrieved 16 January 2024.
  2. ^ "Sam Schmaltz". discogs.com. Retrieved 16 January 2024.
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