Talk:N.W.A/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

N.W.A VS N.W.A.

I moved the page to add the full stop after the "A," then discovered from the logs that this had been moved back and forth several times, with one user stating that they "never" used the last period. N.W.A. and the Posse contradicts this statement, although they did not use it on subsequent album covers, I think this was done for stylistic reasons and did not actually represent a change in the name of the group. It seems to me most users looking for this group would expect that last period to be there, and there are many redirect pages steering them to this page. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

n.w.a. and the posse was never an official n.w.a release, as arabian prince said in an interview it was a bootleg combining an N.W.A EP titled N.W.A and a Fila Fresh Crew EP. This explains how it ended up on a different label and how Fila Fresh Crew were on it. check out the interview here: http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/arabianprince/ therefore n.w.a. and the posse shouldn't count and the proper title for n.w.a should be without the period on the end. The period was never used on all official releases straight outta compton, 100 miles and running, efil4zaggin, greatest hits and their the best of compilation, all proper releases all without the period on the end--Siwhat (talk) 21:28, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

• As I mentioned above, I hadn't noticed all the previous moves till after I made the last one. I never noticed the period wasn't there on the album covers before either, but it isn't. If you feel strongly that it should be moved back, go right ahead, I really don't think it's that important. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

• Regardless, the group of Eazy, Dre, Cube, Ren and Yella uniformly used "N.W.A" whether with the official logo graphic or in written press releases, etc. The article title should reflect the name of the band, not rigid adherence to grammatical conventions. These endless reverts to "N.W.A." are tiresome and uninformed. Es-won (talk) 01:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

• I just said I failed to check the log, and that I don't care if you change it back. What is the problem exactly? Beeblebrox (talk) 00:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

• Moved to N.W.A per official website and allmusic biography. Hopefully the article won't be moved anymore. Karppinen (talk) 20:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
• The page has now been move-protected to keep this from happening again. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

• And I have now gone through this article and removed all the extraneous periods I could find, and moved a couple of articles on albums by the group that had the period in the title. If you guys have any other problems, remember that anyone can edit Wikipedia, you can feel free to actually fix problems as you see them instead of just grousing on the talk page about it. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

priority records had established "n.w.a" and commissioned the artwork/logo without the final period after the group had joined the label and left macola records -- their debut ep on macola lists them as "n.w.a." (bold sans serif typeface in red) -- even priority itself was inconsistent, labelling them either "n.w.a" or "n.w.a." or "nwa" (sometimes two versions can be found on the same release, e.g. on the vinyl editions of "niggaz4life" and "appetite for destruction") -- these are all just artist name variations. esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC).

Yes, but not everyone knows how to get the page name changed. Add to that the hassle of changing everything YOU did in the first place. And the fact that you didn't even bother to check here before moving the page. I think it goes without saying that you should be the one to fix it.76.105.7.183 (talk) 05:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

• If you actually read this page, or check the edit history of the article, it will become abundantly clear that I did fix it by going through this article and several others related to N.W.A and systematically removing every instance I could find of the period at the end, and moving other articles that had it in the title.. Then I went to WP:RPP and had the page move-protected so this won't happen again. Was there something else you would like me to do about it or will that be all? Beeblebrox (talk) 06:28, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

D.O.C. NOT a member

D.O.C. was never an official member of n.w.a. He was an affiliate. He was on one song on straight outta compton and then ghostwrote rhymes for eazy and dre.

• You made this exact same remark two months ago, according to the archive. If you have a source, make the necessary changes. Beeblebrox (talk) 07:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

• How about the cover to every single N.W.A album? D.O.C. can definitely be considered "a fifth Beattle", but he was never officially part of the group. Es-won (talk) 01:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

• So exactly what is it that is stopping you two from going ahead and making the change if you are so sure of it? I don't see anyone disagreeing here... Beeblebrox (talk) 00:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Correct name

hi,

just wanted to clarify in regard to the name that in my opinon, the artist's self-reference is the only relevant source, not a biography on allmusic.com -- while it can be helpful for research on albums and/or songs, i have often found mistakes in the biographies posted there and would not consider it the primary source of information on the band.

i have been collecting n.w.a-related releases since 1989 and have done a number of radio show specials about the members and their side-projects.

on another note, the release mentioned by arabian prince is technically not a bootleg, but a compilation -- macola records was not a classical record company, but more a record pressing plant acting as a label; arabian prince had released records both solo and as member of "bobby jimmy & the critters," just as dre & yella had while they were with the world class wreckin' cru.

"n.w.a & the posse" had later been released by priority records, and it is an official release.

and finally -- i changed "gangster rap" to "gangsta rap," cheers.

Herr chagall (talk) 00:54, 01 January 2009 (UTC)

• It would be helpful if you could specify exactly where you got that exact spelling of the name. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

i had listed the the two songs as footnotes, actually --

straight outta compton (straight outta compton) real niggaz (100 miles and runnin')

it's from the band themselves, thus it's the primary source and to my mind the only relevant one -- this was how they referred to themselves.

according to karppinen however, allmusic.com is the only reliable source of information, albeit this is strange reasoning, for you cannot discern from where the author in question has gathered his information from (plus, the biography article isn't free of errors, anyway).

i too have a rap pages issue from the mid 1990s somewhere, with an nwa special, but it'll take some time to dig that one out. esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 07:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

• I don't understand how the titles of those two songs as listed on a commercial website are relevant to how the group's name is spelled. Let me be clear, I don't care one way or the other, but let's see some actual sources if it's going to be changed. Beeblebrox (talk) 13:13, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

• discogs is not a commercial website -- while there is a market place section, registration and participation are totally free and no purchase of any kind is required (there is no premium membership option, either).

i've posted more links on your talk page. esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 03:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not sure we are ever going to find a definitive reliable source to settle this, so I've included both in the lead. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I think this is about as reliable a source as possible...

I put an N.W.A CD in my computer, and ripped the tracks into my computer. The name given to the band after Windows Media player found the disc on the net was N.W.A without a period at the end. That works for me.

Regardless of whether D.O.C. was ever officially a member of N.W.A, and he wasn't in my opinion, he deserves mention as a "5th Beatle" somewhere in the article. I added Snoop to the member list. He was unquestionable a member when the band reunited in 2000.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 01:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

• The period thing was already resolved, we were discussing what the N.W.A was an acronym for, and no, the data from Windows media player/iTunes/etc is not considered a reliable source. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Snoop Dogg

Snoop was part of the N.W.A reunion in 2000, and belongs in the info box as a "Former member." The info box isn't for original line ups or even most famous line ups; it is for ALL TIME line ups. Therefore, Snoop belongs in there no more or less than Arabian Prince does.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 23:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Snoop Doesn't belong in the Former Member box, because he was never a member it's a completely different thing to be part of a reunion and to be part of the group itself. And you are right the info box isn't for the original line up, or the most famous line up, it is for the all time line up of people who were actually in the group. Putting him in there is pretty much the same as if you were to go to a family reunion and your brother brought his girlfriend, and never got married to her, and you considered her your step-sister it'd be a dumb thing to do because she's not your step-sister she's your brother's girlfriend; there's a big difference.-- JBurnes3 Sunday, 22 February 2009 03:53 (UTC)

• I don't think that analogy is quite right. He didn't just come to an N.W.A concert, he performed as a member of the group. He wasn't just there, he participated, so in this case, the brother did marry the metaphorical girlfriend. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)