Talk:Murder of Ilan Halimi

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Weird story telling[edit]

"It began when a girl (named "Emma") came to Ilan Halimi's workplace (a phone store in Paris) and started flirting with him. After exchanging phone numbers, Ilan comes home and decides he will give it a shot with that girl. Arriving at the rendez-vous point, Ilan understands too late this date was a trap."
Is this a novel? Come on. I'll change the worst of it. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 11:34, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • User:JHvW, User:Sandstein, wanting to link the Ilan Halimi story to Murder of Sarah Halimi, I found these two articles which I at first took for two separate articles on the same topic, and started to merge them. However, I can see that the Gang of Barbarians was begun deliberately and that it covers the broader activities of this criminal gang. Pausing now to ask you permission, advice before proceeding further. If you have no objectins, I will expand Killing of Ilan Halimi with much of the material on Halimi now in The Affair of the Gang of Barbarians, leaving it with a summary of the Halimi murder, but focused on the gang's the non-Halimi activities. However, if you prefer, I can back off now and the articles can be reverted to previous condition. Although there is a good deal of duplication and the Killling of Iln Halimi article is short of sources and text.@JHvW and Sandstein:.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:40, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't followed this article in a long time and do not have an opinion on this. But in general, this way of proceeding appears consistent with WP:SS.  Sandstein  13:58, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have the same sentiments. Originally this was one article, which I split in two (Ilan Halimi and The Affair), as I felt that Ilan Halimi was central in the affair but that the affair deserved it's own entry in Wikipedia. I am not familiar with the gang although I am familiar with the political problems concerning this article. But as I do not wish to take a stance which may seem politically biased, I have tried to represent the facts as neutral as possible. The article on the affair has been redacted many times and I no longer feel comfortable with the contents. It is the Wikipedia way that any article can be redacted as long as the guidelines are followed. I have not edited for a long time as I have the feeling that many editors now prefer style over substance. I prefer substance. So if you feel that your changes will add substance, you have my blessing. JHvW 08:21, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with Gang of Barbarians[edit]

This group of criminals is known only for the killing of Ilan Halimi, and the article is entirely about that case. See WP:CFORK. Sandstein 10:43, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Given that they weren't a long-term organised criminal group and don't seem to have much notability outside of this murder, I'd support this merge. Robofish (talk) 13:06, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  checkY Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 06:48, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Name in Hebrew[edit]

I was surprised to see a Hebrew transcription of the name in the introduction and I wonder what the rationale might be? --Eistreter (talk) 07:48, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Given that he was re-burried in Israel that might justify a Hebrew transcription. Klbrain (talk) 07:00, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relation to Sarah Halimi[edit]

I have removed the following footnote:

The Washington Post story said "no relation to" but a subsequent in-depth article, published in a different periodical, that named and quoted a number of relatives, said "a distant relative"

which leaves the reader to guess at what periodical the footnote author might be referring to. I guess it might refer to the subsequent reference to an article in Ami Living, but since that article is behind a paywall I cannot tell. Therefore, I have also removed the parenthetical in the main text asserting that they were distantly related. Einsof (talk) 18:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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