Talk:Murad IV

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The source for the excerpts on Absolute rule of Murad was included as Reference 31 " Yenippadigalil Maandargal " a spiritual treatise by Shivan Sir, Narmada Padippagam, section 92E — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umathiruma (talk • contribs) 05:27, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Alchol[edit]

There is no proof that he was a habitual drinker.

Comment[edit]

I think the statement "Not until 1808 would there be another Sultan of his calibre. Murat IV is known as the last great Sultan of the Ottoman Empire." needs to be backed up. "His strength was nearly phenomenal." sounds a little awkward too. /The Phoenix 19:57, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Murad IV and Abdulhamid II were the latest great emperors of the Ottoman State. This means that "1808" is a wrong claim because Abdulhamid II's reign started on August 31, 1876. With respect, Deliogul 20:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I forgot Mahmud Khan(his reign was started in 1808) but still Mahmud II was a smooth reformer more than a person who controls everthing with force. With respect, Deliogul 22:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Changes[edit]

I have added back the paragraph on Murad IV's military exploits—which was moved by OttomanReference to another article—on the grounds that this article, Murad IV, should not neglect information relevant to the subject/person covered. The article is (at least at the current time) short enough that it is not overwhelming the reader, which is the general reason to start shunting information off to other articles (v. Wikipedia:Long article layout), and any reader coming to this page and wishing to find here any information directly relevant to Murad IV should—I believe—be able to find it here. —Saposcat 06:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We have to mention his military success here. Only the re-invasion of Bagdad proved that he was a successful commander(actually the latest Sultan to be successful on the battlefield). With respect, Deliogul 20:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The last sultan on battlefield[edit]

Several times it is quoted that Murat IV was the last sultan to command an army on the battlefield. I think that the title must go to Mustafa II who reigned app. 60 years later. (But unlike Murat he was not victorious.) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mehmed IV (who reigned between 1648-1687) also commanded an army on the battlefield.

Death[edit]

There are two separate claims on the cause of death. Western sources claim Murad IV drank alcohol even though he outlawed alcohol and punished people for it, and he died of cirrhosis of the liver. The ottomans claim that he died of gout. Who's more likely to be right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.150.111.130 (talk) 15:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The sources that have no interest in polishing history in accordance with their religious and national views and tendencies. Also, there is a strong link between alcohol consumption and gout. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slavoljub036 (talk • contribs) 12:41, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2. Halil Inalcik is a highly respected islamic historian, and certainly not a "western" or biased source. You deleted factual data with references from his book twice! I appreciate all your edits, but please stop deleting factually correct data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slavoljub036 (talk • contribs) 12:46, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weapons[edit]

... more than 50 kg? Can someone get the actual weights? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.21.245.124 (talk) 01:56, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Sexuality[edit]

Hello I added the following information earlier. Murad IV was known having affairs with both men and women.[1] In his Iran campaign he brought the commander of Revan Castle Emirgûneoğlu Tahmasp Kulu Khan to Istanbul, changed his name to Yusuf Pasha and made a garden namely "Feridun Bahçesi" for him. According to Dimitri Kantemir and Eremya Çelebi Murad IV was constantly meeting the well known homosexuals of time Yusuf Pasha, Musa Çelebi and Silahtar Mustafa Pasha in "Feridun Bahçesi".[2]

The refs are from newspapers and by proeminient Turkish writers. Some users removed it repetadly if they ahve any contest better to discuss here. Thanks --Abbatai 10:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Newspapers are not exactly good sources. Please cite works by academic historians if possible. Chamboz (talk) 00:29, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the sources I've found: The Role of Homosexuality in Classical Islam from University of Tennesy, book - The Sultans by Noel Barber (ISBN: 978-0671216245). Arthistorian1977 (talk) 09:42, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also, this one: "Asian Homosexuality" by Wayne R. Dynes and Stephen Donaldson (9780815305484).Arthistorian1977 (talk) 09:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ http://www.aksam.com.tr/roportaj/osmanliyi-kadinlar-batirmadi/haber-169876
  2. ^ http://www.radikal.com.tr/yazarlar/ayse-hur/elinde-tesbih-evinde-oglan-dudaginda-dua-1159964/

Orphaned references in Murad IV[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Murad IV's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Sakaoğlu":

  • From Mehmed III: Sakaoğlu, Necdet (2008). Bu mülkün kadın sultanları: Vâlide sultanlar, hâtunlar, hasekiler, kadınefendiler, sultanefendiler. Oğlak Yayıncılık. p. 303. ISBN 978-9-753-29623-6.
  • From Mustafa I: Sakaoğlu, Necdet (2008). Bu mülkün kadın sultanları: Vâlide sultanlar, hâtunlar, hasekiler, kadınefendiler, sultanefendiler. Oğlak Yayıncılık. p. 325. ISBN 978-9-753-29623-6.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 06:13, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Family[edit]

About the children of Sultan Murad, when you search in Google, and appears the page of wikipedia about Sultan Murad, the list of the kids is there with the right dates. You have to put the correct dates Gfoncz (talk) 14:54, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fire of 1633[edit]

"On 2 September 1633, the Cibali fire broke out, burning a fifth of the city. The fire started during the day when a caulker burned the shrub and the ship caulked into the walls. The fire, which spread from three branches to the city. One arm lowered towards the sea. He returned from Zeyrek and walked to Atpazan. The most beautiful districts of Istanbul were ruined, from the Yeniodas, Mollagürani districts, Fener gate to Sultanselim, Mesihpaşa, Bali Pasha and Lutfi Pasha mosques, Şahı buhan Palace, Unkapanı to Atpazarı, Bostanzade houses, and Sofular Bazaar. The fire that lasted for 30 hours was only extinguished after the wind stopped."

Can someone translate this gibberish into English? 104.153.40.58 (talk) 02:40, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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