Talk:Moravian folk music

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Created in user-space in cooperation with User:Hrdinský. Thanks many times for your patient and kind help. --Vejvančický (talk) 21:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

GA?

This is a really great article, kłobuk dolu. I would like to nominate it for GA status, it just needs a few things:

• A bit better referencing, there are some unreferenced statements I've tagged with {{fact}} for now, I will get Bartoš out at the weekend and see if I can find anything
• Longer lede (3-4 paragraphs)
• Some samples could be good, either recordings released under a free license or clip 30 seconds out of some well known ones.
• Just one factual thing, the list of "types of Moravian folk songs" is missing those horribly formulaic... what I guess must be kids songs? which Bartoš's collections are full of, e.g. [1] - I can't possibly imagine this is a love song, a drinking song, or for ceremonies, armies, weddings or funerals.
  • Come to think of it I bet this is what the SE Moravia section in the table describes as "peasant songs" - filelakeshoe 12:09, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
• The "selected" list of works needs a bit more selecting - it's too long. I'd rather leave this to one of the article's original authors. - filelakeshoe 12:05, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Filelakeshoe.

• I'll add the missing citations (during my work on the article, I used mainly the book Hudba středovýchodní Evropy by the foremost Moravian folklore expert Jiří Plocek, and I guess a large part of the content has its origin in the book).

• Years ago, I played clarinet in a cimbalom band and I still meet my friends from the band. Recently, they released a CD and I asked them if they would allow me to upload one of their songs here on Wikipedia. They agreed, as far as I can remember. Unfortunately, we usually meet in a wine cellar or in a pub and I can't remember anything the next day :( Either I'm tipsy, or lazy, or forgetful.

• As for the song by Bartoš ([2]), it looks like a wedding song (it is described as a ceremony during a wedding, the song is sung when the bride is brought to the house of the bridegroom). But I think you are right, kids songs are a part of the Moravian traditional music repertoire. "Peasant songs" or sedlácké (in Czech) is a distinctive song form performed mainly in Horňácko and Uherskohradišťsko, as far as I know. See this fantastic songbook of peasant songs from the Horňácko region.
  • Aha yes, I actually meant the one below it which starts jedeme, jedeme, cestíčky nevíme. - filelakeshoe 14:47, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
    • Yes, that one is a song poetically accompanying a wedding ceremony, see the last verses: Mamičko, mamičko, otvírajte kuchyň, vezeme vám do ní tú novú hospodyň (Mummy, mummy, open the kitchen, we're taking your new housekeeper into it). Certainly not good prospects for the poor girl ... --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 15:08, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

• I'll take a look at the list.

• Thank you again for your interest, Filelakeshoe. I'll work on the article a bit more. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I've attempted to expand the lede a bit. I edited the bit about the "Eastern harmonic texture" since the article seems to suggest that music from Vysočina region and Haná actually doesn't use Eastern harmonies. Also I would ask, what does it mean that the music of Haná is "lost"? These guys who were at hanácké slavnosti last year may disagree :) - filelakeshoe 13:54, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Moravian traditional music generally inclines to the Eastern musical world, however, we can't say there's a firm boundary in the folk music of East and West. Some of the elements are transitive, the regions such as Horácko or Haná are close to the traditional music of Bohemia, but they're still a part of Moravia. I can back up may claims with Plocek's book on central and eastern European folk music, but the differences have been noticed also by others (i. e. Milan Kundera, The Joke, Part Four (Jaroslav)) etc.

It meant that the original form of the Hanakian traditional music is lost and there's no surviving continuity between the past and present. However, the same applies also for most of the other regions, except of Horňácko. I've fixed the claim to make it more clear.

I also rethought the list of "selected recordings". I don't think it is a good idea to reduce it, as it provides a good and reliable information and contains only the most important information. In my opinion, reducing would be counterproductive. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 15:59, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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Types of Moravian folk songs

What about Christmas Carols in Moravia?--85.0.106.236 (talk) 10:24, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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