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This article was nominated for merging with Republicanism in Antigua and Barbuda on 11 May 2023. The result of the discussion (permanent link) was no consensus.

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Page moved[edit]

This page has been moved from Monarchy in Antigua and Barbuda, as all similar pages are gradually being moved. GoodDay 18:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above notice makes no sense Monarchy in Antigua and Barbuda to Monarchy in Antigua and Barbuda? -- GoodDay (talk) 19:21, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It didn't make sense because you moved the page after I placed the template. ---- G2bambino (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, fogive my actions -- I've been doing alot of page movements lately, and been getting confused in the process. -- GoodDay (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge Discussion[edit]

NO CONSENSUS

The dispute is over whether (1) the republicanism article fails GNG and (2) the republicanism article is a POVFORK of this article. As neither side has provided an analysis of the sources in the republicanism article, I am unable to determine determine whether there is consensus on the first question. I likewise cannot resolve the second question as the arguments in support and against were cursory. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:02, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I propose the merger of Republicanism in Antigua and Barbuda into this page. That recently created page is essentially a POVFORK of this one, and currently is at odds with the text here which reads The monarchy is not a major topic of debate in Antigua and Barbuda. Although this page may benefit from some more attention and merged material in its Republicanism section, the new page fails to demonstrate that there really is a significant movement for the replacement of the constitutional monarchy of Antigua and Barbuda with a republican form of government. That page is entirely sourced to primary sources, in a collation that looks like WP:OR but fails to show from any secondary source that a notable subject exists for the page. Undoubtedly there is something to be said about republicanism, but at this point it is not clear why that cannot all be adequately covered here. This article would also benefit from a fuller consideration of the issue, which would not need to be overlong or out of proportion with the current article size. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose a merge - this is definitely not a POVfork and neither is the page entirely sourced from primary sources. It about proposals and discussions about Antigua and Barbuda becoming a republic. Titus Gold (talk) 16:41, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We'll keep the full sourcing discussion on the article talk page, but you might want to take a read of [1] or [2] as two random examples, or any such guide to recognising a primary source. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:45, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge as the article fails WP:GNG. Peter Ormond 💬 13:39, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate that some citations may be primary sources that directly quote via interview. There are plenty of citations however that are secondary. Titus Gold (talk) 13:52, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Once "Republicanism in Antigua and Barbuda" is edited down to what's notable and given due weight, there's not enough left to warrant an article to itself. The pertinent information can thus be merged into the "Republicanism" section here. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 05:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral - Is a referendum inevitable? or is the country becoming a republic inevitable. Just don't know. GoodDay (talk) 09:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@GoodDay I don't think that anyone can predict whether a referendum is inevitable or not, but there does seem to be a significant republican movement in Antigua and Barbuda, particularly more recently. There does seem to be enough content and sources to justify an article as per WP:GNG guidelines.

The latest deletion of content from the article also seems quite excessive, removing some valuable insight (including secondary sources). A sensible trim would've been acceptable, but the page seems to have attracted some partially disruptive and questionable deletions. Titus Gold (talk) 16:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article as it is has no secondary sources demonstrating that there is a republicanism movement in Antigua and Barbuda. If there were secondary sources, there would be no need to merge and no concerns with that article, but as it is, all we have is a bunch of newspaper sources telling an editor's narrative, rather than any narrative that can be found in the sources. This is all discussed on the talk page there. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not certain about what the fate of this page should be. Therefore, I leave it to others to decide. GoodDay (talk) 22:17, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Same reason as Titus Gold. it's all fading away^talk 12:55, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.