Talk:Menstruation (mammal)

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Compiled using information cut and pasted from 'Menstruation' and 'Menstrual cycle' articles (so that they now focus on human reproduction).

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Citacion needed for references to changes in the uterus lining during the cycles

I have added two templates of citacion needed in those phrases that refer to spontaneus changes in the lining of the uterus during the cycles, specifically building up before pregnancy and reabsorption if there is not pregnancy, because many species of placental mammals with hemochorial placentas only experiment these changes once there is pregnancy, that is, it is the embrio the one that triggers these changes. In humans, and a list of primates, these changes are spontaneus, independently of the embrio, it is the called spontaneus decidualization, however triggered decidualization (triggered by the embrio) is more common in hemochorial mammals. There are two more types of placenta, and I have not found data about whether these females undergo triggered or spontaneus decidualization (which would be great to know, because it is interesting to understand some speculative studies regarded to the evolution of -overt, very overt- menstruation). So, telling that females undergo spontaneus changes in their uterus lining is a wrong generalization. Pedro Lamo (talk) 07:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

It is not well explained the difference between overt and covert menstruation

The article is ambigous in the definition of menstruation and fails to explain whether estrous females can undergo menstruations (some of they can, molossus ater females, a bat, menstruate if they don't get pregnant duting their seasonal cycles, see http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/aja.1001910102/abstract). A more explanatory text that could clearly differentiate between menstruation and the type of cycles, as well as explain in which species there is reabsorption of the uterus lining and to what extent is needed. Pedro Lamo (talk) 07:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

The article should contain more information about menstruation and focuss less on cycles

Besides explaining in a clear way the difference between cycles and menstruation, it would be a great idea that the article centers on menstruation, because it is what it is about, and give information about the length of menstrual phase (instead of estrus phase) and when possible about the volume of menstruations. This is the kind of information people is looking for when they want to learn about menstruation in animals Pedro Lamo (talk) 07:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 23 November 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 21:30, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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• Menstruation (mammal) → Menstruation
• Menstruation → Menstruation in humans

– The current naming style for similar articles on biological features and processes seems to be avoiding human-centric terminology. Examples include skeleton and human skeleton, birth and childbirth, and penis and human penis. It would make perfect sense for this article to be similar. An anonymous username, not my real name 06:21, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose moving Menstruation (but I would support moving Menstruation (mammal) to Menstruation in mammals). There's nothing unusual about organizing the content such that the main article primarily focuses on humans and mostly leaves other animals to a spin-off article. Compare with Sleep in animals and Sleep (not Sleep in humans), Pain in animals and Pain (not Pain in humans), Emotion in animals and Emotion (not Emotion in humans), Animal consciousness and Consciousness (not Consciousness in humans). Certainly different topics are organized along different lines, like skeleton and human skeleton, but in this case I think the current organization, that Menstruation mostly focuses on humans as opposed to other mammals, is in line with both general readers' expectations and the relative amount of coverage of the topics in sources. Adumbrativus (talk) 07:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

  (The section Menstruation#Other_mammals probably deserves a longer summary than just the current two sentences, but that's a separate problem.) Adumbrativus (talk) 08:00, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

  As a compromise, how would you feel about moving this article to that section? See diabetes, ejaculation, skull, tongue, and urination, which are also arranged in this way, focusing on humans, but including other species within the main article. An anonymous username, not my real name 16:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

  My first impression is that the current Menstruation (mammal) article is too long for a full-on merge to menstruation. So Wikipedia:Summary style makes sense. Another possible argument is that maybe the current Menstruation (mammal) should be divided up between menstruation and estrous cycle. I admit I'm not at all an expert in the topic of Menstruation (mammal) so it's hard for me to say, and I'd be happy to defer to other editors in the subject area. Adumbrativus (talk) 07:07, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

  Menstruation in mammals wouldn't be entirely accurate (and neither is the current title), as humans are, of course, mammals themselves. I suppose Menstruation in nonhuman mammals would be too unwiedly, so perhaps your idea is the only option. An anonymous username, not my real name 16:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose so as not to WP:ASTONISH our primary readership - humans. Other topics like swimming, running, pregnancy, etc. similarly give the expected human precedence. -- Netoholic @ 10:19, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose as our readers are human and most likely looking for menstruation in humans, not other non-human animals. cookie monster 755 18:45, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:57, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Remove Animal Estrous Cycles section?

The "Animal estrous cycles" section of the article doesn't seem relevant to the topic of menstruation. The rest of the article states that the only known animals that menstruate are primates, bats, the elephant shrew, and the spiny mouse. Yet the Animal Estrous Cycles section seems to be talking about estrous cycles in livestock and other species that don't menstruate. If this section is somehow relevant to the topic of menstruation, it would be nice if it could be clarified how. Otherwise, I would suggest removing it and, if necessary, relocating the information in it to Estrous cycle.

I don't want to do this myself because I'm not an expert in the subject and am not sure that I'm fully understanding the distinction between menstrual and estrous cycles. 2601:246:CD80:910:3F7D:22C6:C32A:DAA3 (talk) 21:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)