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Melbourne is the largest city in Australia[edit]
Melb is now the latest city in Australia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-65261720.amp
This fact - needs to be reflect in both the Sydney , Melbourne, and Australia wiki pages.
I updated the Sydney and Melbourne page, with references and someone changed it back (factually incorrect) and locked the page.
what are your thoughts on this? Aussie1978 (talk) 22:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- Please see thediscussion above. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 23:28, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- It depends on how you define "biggest city by population" as in some metrics Sydney is still larger than Melbs 131.172.226.169 (talk) 14:56, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- But when we apply the same rules the government employs to judge both Sydney and Melbourne. Melbourne is a larger city. <IP removed> 22:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- No it isn't. See this link. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- But when we apply the same rules the government employs to judge both Sydney and Melbourne. Melbourne is a larger city. <IP removed> 22:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2023[edit]
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It says that melbourne is the second most populous city in Australia however melbourne recently overtook sydney in population making it the first most populous city in Australia 120.156.152.211 (talk) 18:33, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:43, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
"Melbourne, Australia." listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]
The redirect Melbourne, Australia. has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 27 § Melbourne, Australia. until a consensus is reached. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:11, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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I wish to edit the number of rainy days over 1mm for Melbourne as using over 0.2mm data is incorrect and out of date. Paddy234 (talk) 15:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kpgjhpjm 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
m²== Image for Culture section ==
@HappyWaldo and @Ashton 29, I think it would be much better if you discussed which image should go in the culture section here, rather than editing back and forth. GraziePrego (talk) 06:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- I noted in the edit summaries (1, 2) that the dome room features in all but one of the top Instagram posts tagged #statelibraryvictoria. Given how these algorithms work, it tells us the dome is the library's most attention-grabbing feature. Ashton 29 dismissed this with his latest revert, yet virtually all write ups on the library are in agreement on the dome:
- "While the original building is best described as 'Victorian period academic classical' in its style, it is the magnificent octagonal-shaped dome – added in 1913 – that makes this treasured heritage-listed building such a major jewel in Melbourne’s crown." (Sydney Morning Herald).
- "On December 5, the iconic State Library Victoria in Melbourne’s CBD will reopen its doors following the completion of a five-year redevelopment ... The library’s most iconic feature – the domed La Trobe Reading Room – will remain the same, ..." (Broadsheet).
- "For many Melburnians, the State Library is defined by the Dome Room — the majestic silent reading room built in 1913. Ms Torney described it as 'probably the most photographed room in Melbourne'." (ABC).
- It would be strangely remiss not to show the dome room. Probably on par with the Royal Exhibition Building as a symbol of the cultural life of Melbourne. The facade with its pediment and columns could belong to almost any public building, whereas the dome immediately communicates the function of the building. As an interior space it adds variety to the images, along the lines of those shown in the cultural sections of Sydney, Paris, São Paulo etc. Also the photograph of the dome is simply a higher quality image. Probably deserving of a featured picture nomination. Ashton 29 would surely attest to its quality, given that they swapped it in with this edit of Monkey Grip back in January. After three weeks of reverts, their only argument in favour of the facade has been: "this view is more iconic than the interior". No it's not, lol. - HappyWaldo (talk) 10:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Ashton 29, I see you have replaced the reading room with the outside of the library once again. Please come and discuss this here, instead of continuing the edit war. GraziePrego (talk) 05:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- @HappyWaldo @Ashton 29 is there now going to be an edit war over another image? Please can you both discuss here before history repeats again. GraziePrego (talk) 02:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- The reading room interior looks like any reading room. I disagree that the exterior could be anywhere. The forecourt lawn of the library is an iconic view noticeable to many who walk along Swanston Street, where tourists and Melburnians alike bask in the sun's warmth on the green carpet of lush grass prior to entering or after their visit to the fourth most visited public library in the world. I also noticed HappyWaldo has also reverted the edit on the dusk image of St Patrick's Cathedral. Nobody in their right minds would say that the daylight image HappyWaldo prefers is superior to the moody, Gothic looking facade of the building in twilight that I have proposed. I have to ask you, HappyWaldo, why it always has to be your way or the highway as far as editing goes? The exterior of the Melbourne Athenaeum is hardly iconic or recognisable, and while it is a nice example of neo-classical architecture, I doubt anybody outside Melbourne would recognise it. Ashton 29 (talk) 06:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- It was the world's largest reinforced-concrete dome upon completion and a feat of engineering. For these reasons alone it could be said it's unlike any other reading room. That you dismiss it out of hand then wax poetic about grass is pretty funny. My original point that the reading room more effectively communicates the building's function still stands. It says only "library", whereas the facade could easily pass as that of a government building. Last statement on the room: "The dome soars in the centre of State Library Victoria as a confident statement of universal knowledge. When it opened in 1913 it was the largest building of its kind in the world, and its height and scale in a city without skyscrapers was dramatic. Inside, the rising arcades and balconies join in a glazed roof with a golden orb at its centre – like the sun, a source of light and enlightenment." (Wheeler Centre). As for the cathedral, the image you prefer has very obvious HDR processing. Makes it look unrealistic in addition to the distracting keystoning of the spire. The current image is daylight, higher res, looks realistic. More suitable for an encyclopedia. Re theatre image, "I doubt anybody outside Melbourne would recognise [the Athenaeum]" is a ridiculous statement. Try to be more precise in your language and not overgeneralise. While none of Melbourne's theatres seem to be well known abroad, the Melbourne Athenaeum has articles on three non-English Wikis. The Capitol, only English. Not that this counts for much. The Princess is Melbourne's grandest theatre so I would support a return to this image. - HappyWaldo (talk) 12:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- The reading room interior looks like any reading room. I disagree that the exterior could be anywhere. The forecourt lawn of the library is an iconic view noticeable to many who walk along Swanston Street, where tourists and Melburnians alike bask in the sun's warmth on the green carpet of lush grass prior to entering or after their visit to the fourth most visited public library in the world. I also noticed HappyWaldo has also reverted the edit on the dusk image of St Patrick's Cathedral. Nobody in their right minds would say that the daylight image HappyWaldo prefers is superior to the moody, Gothic looking facade of the building in twilight that I have proposed. I have to ask you, HappyWaldo, why it always has to be your way or the highway as far as editing goes? The exterior of the Melbourne Athenaeum is hardly iconic or recognisable, and while it is a nice example of neo-classical architecture, I doubt anybody outside Melbourne would recognise it. Ashton 29 (talk) 06:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- @HappyWaldo @Ashton 29 is there now going to be an edit war over another image? Please can you both discuss here before history repeats again. GraziePrego (talk) 02:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Ashton 29, I see you have replaced the reading room with the outside of the library once again. Please come and discuss this here, instead of continuing the edit war. GraziePrego (talk) 05:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Population figures for 2023[edit]
Hello all
I have updated the official ABS population estimates for Melbourne in the infobox. The ABS release is here. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 12:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Melbourne pronunciation[edit]
Hello all
I have added the Australian English pronunciation. See WP:DIAPHONEMIC " "Local pronunciations are of particular interest in the case of place names. If there are both local and national or international standards, it may be beneficial to list both. "
Happy to discuss Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 23:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I have tried, but still struggle making sense of IPA. This Melburnian (yes, that is the correct spelling) of nearly 60 years says that you would get the local pronunciation right if you just said "Melbn". There is no vowel sound between the "b" and the "n". (And obviously the "e" is silent.) All attempts to tell people how to pronounce that bit of the word seem to lead to people saying something that just isn't said by the locals. HiLo48 (talk) 03:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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