Talk:McDonnell Douglas A-4G Skyhawk

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that ten of the twenty McDonnell Douglas A-4G Skyhawk aircraft (pictured) operated by the Royal Australian Navy between 1967 and 1984 were destroyed as a result of accidents?
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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) Peacemaker67 (send... over) 11:37, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. OK
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. OK, a couple of lead additions needed (see comments below)
2. Verifiable with no original research:
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2c. it contains no original research. OK
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7. Overall assessment. Great article, well done

Comments

  • suggest once abbreviation for FAA is introduced you use it throughout.
    • Done
  • suggest "Skyhawks at this time" be " Skyhawks at that time"
    • Done
  • suggest where you mention the initial order you specify the TA-4s were two seaters (you specify the Gs were single seaters and it just begs the question.
    • Done
  • in Thailand relieve → in Thailand to relieve
    • Fixed
  • link Royal Navy
    • Done
  • In May 1972 805 Squadron's → In May 1972, 805 Squadron's
    • Done
  • the infobox says in service to 1990, but the Kiwi's operated them till 2001? I guess they became K's when the were converted, so maybe just something in the body saying that all the G's were converted to K's by 1990 (if that's right, mentioned in the lead but not the body)?
    • Done (I thought I'd included this, but I'd missed it).
  • I suggest mentioning the lead that a further two were lost in NZ service, including a further death. Again, they were Ks but it is relevant given the accident record. I was wondering what the accident record of the Skyhawk was in general, and whether that is worth mentioning.
    • Done. The only source which discusses this is Wilson, who notes that the loss rate was due to the dangers of operating aircraft at sea. I'll look for some more general sources before taking this to an ACR, but all single-engined types of this era suffered pretty high loss rates (quite a few of the RAAF's Mirage IIIs were destroyed as a result of engine failures, for example). More generally loss rates of this era were much higher than those of modern types - for instance, when the RAAF purchased 75 F/A-18 Hornets in the early 1990s it expected to have written off eleven of them by 2000 - in the event only four had been lost by this time and none have (thankfully) been destroyed since 1992.
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  • not requirements for GA, but just for noting for the future, no alt text on non-infobox images, several 10 digit isbns could be converted to 13 digit ones that are available per WP:ISBN
    • Thanks I'll follow up on this as part of the ACR preparations.
  • Have just put it on hold for those few things to be addressed. Great article! Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 12:43, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Trainers never embarked on carrier[edit]

Not sure if its worth adding into the article, but according to Hall's HMAS Melbourne (p. 82), the RAN never embarked the TA-4Gs aboard Melbourne because they weren't worth the risk of possibly damaging or destroying them during training landings. -- saberwyn 08:54, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's already covered in the fourth para of the Acquisition section :) Does the book say anything about them performing touch-and-go landings or similar? Nick-D (talk) 09:45, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't outright state either way, but the impression I get is that they kept the trainers as far away from the carrier as possible. Here's the relevant half-paragraph: For in spite of the hundreds of hours training they have been through to reach this moment there is nothing which even remotely simulates the experience of landing and taking off from the real carrier. In the modern Skyhawks, which are single-seater jets, the pilots are entirely on their own and the first time is for real. The RAN has a pair of two-seater Skyhawks which it uses for training, but they don't want to lose or crash them and so they are never taken on board. -- saberwyn 12:34, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks for that. I think that 724 Squadron usually (always?) had some single-seaters on hand for deck landing training. Nick-D (talk) 09:37, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
IIRC the t-birds lacked the bridle attachment hook to enable tge to be used on the catapult. Secondly their utility in the training role even for touch and go evolutions would be very limited as the pilot's position was quite different in the trainer being further forward thus changing the geometry to the point that it would offer little advantage any way. Before going to the ship pilots spent many hours on the practice deck painted on the runway at NAS Nowra. -Nick Thorne talk 10:18, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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675mph at sea level?[edit]

That seems way too far for a subsonic jet at low altitude. That's slightly over Mach 1 at sea level for a jet that can't break the sound barrier at higher altitude? That seems very unlikely to me. Idumea47b (talk) 01:39, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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