Talk:Mazhar Ali Khan (journalist)

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Hello. Im glad to see some addition/contribution by someone,and thats great! However, Id please request that any edits should be made as per Wikipedia guidelines and standards (see Help/Editing section) and refs etc should also be properly given as inline citations etc. Would be grateful if any positive editions are made, and the stub built up. Regs, Khani100 (talk) 04:58, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Khani100[reply]

Ive made some further edits etc, to help smooth out the previous edits made by an unknown contributor, rather useful ones at that but need to add proper refs/citations now. Oh, and by the way, Malik Khizar Hayat Tiwana wasnt, to the best of my knowledge, any kinsman or relation of Mazhar Ali Khan. Khan was from the Khattar tribe/clan of North Punjab whereas Tiwana was a Tiwana from Sargodha/Central Punjab. The resemblance in the names is purely coincidental. Khani100 (talk) 06:48, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Khani100[reply]

On revert[edit]

Mr. Codenamedwolf, you have removed material from this article that is well cited.[1] After removing these references, you then proceeded to nominate the article for deletion.[2] The notable quotes that you removed are cited in significant Pakistani and Bangladeshi publications.[3][4] Tell why I should not be restoring them. 2402:A00:401:7C3E:5468:B08B:FB39:A2A4 (talk) 08:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That claim is not supported by RS at all. It's a wife of a journalist making sensational claims about what her husband told her years ago regarding what he supposedely heard in person from a famous personality. Additionally both those references are editorials published in (relatively less established) Indian/other oped sources which cannot be taken as RS per WP:RSEDITORIAL and WP:THIRDPARTY Codenamewolf (talk) 18:31, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ATTRIBUTION applies here. The claim was sourced to his wife and it is mentioned in multiple RS. The citations linked above do meet WP:RS. 2402:A00:401:7C3E:5468:B08B:FB39:A2A4 (talk) 19:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still, even by ignoring the Indian op-ed sources, none of the two op-ed sources you've listed above are established/mainstream enough to be considered reliable for politically important historical claims. Plus here's what that WP:attribution page has to say about what it considers reliable enough to be used with attribution Exceptional claims should be supported by the best sources, and preferably multiple reliable sources, especially regarding scientific or medical topics, historical events, politically charged issues, and biographies of living people..

Read the whole "Exceptional claims required Exceptional sources" section and all the red flags it has listed (particularly point 2 and 3).

1). surprising or apparently important reports of historical events not covered by mainstream news media or historiography;

2). reports of a statement by someone that seems out of character, embarrassing, controversial, or against an interest they had previously defended; Codenamewolf (talk) 20:53, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]