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The latest change is most easily verified with reference to the new catholic encyclopedia online at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10050a.htm.

It can also be verified relatively quickly by reference to any catholic directory (the older the better).

I hope the changes are not too conservative given the amount of data available on the subject but please don't hesitate to comment on the matter since I am rather new to wikipedia edits at the mo.

Thanks.

The description of Matins has been taken from the online Catholic Encyclopedia which was published before the major revision of the Breviary by Pope St Pius X. The version of the Breviary used by traditional Catholics (and which forms the basis of the Anglican Breviary) is this revision (with subsequent amendments to the rubrics), not the preceding breviary described in the article. When I've got the time I will update it with the differences, unless anyone else would like to have a go?

How is this word supposed to be pronounced? Most places I go give it a distinctively French flavor, with a nasel vowels in the second part of the word. However, nothing in the word origin or present use indicates that it has French ties. Should it be pronounced as it looks, with Latin pronunciation rules, or some other way?

Thanks.

Eastern Christian Section[edit]

I have made a number of changes to the Eastern Christian section. Hopefully, they have improved the article and made things clearer--I would appreciate any constructive criticism anyone may have. I decided to abandon the exclusive use of the Greek word Orthros. While a number of English-speaking Eastern Christians do use this term, it is not the only acceptable usage for Eastern Christians. The Slavic churches use the term Outrenya. It seems to me that "Matins" is merely the English equivalent, and I know many traditional Orthodox Christians who use it. I would be interested in any reasonable feedback. MishaPan 06:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - mention of the "Katavasies" are missing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.185.179.196 (talk) 19:08, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Origins Section[edit]

I was confused by the citation of the biblical book of Acts of the Apostles 20:4. The text indicates that this practice is supported by that citation. I have examined the citation and find no support for the idea for which it is offered in support. Could there be a mis-citation here? emesselt (talk) 02:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Section Split[edit]

I suggest splitting the "Recent centuries" into a "Prior to Vatican II" and "After Vatican II" sections. Comments? --Pstanton (talk) 02:29, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eastern Orthodoxy[edit]

Why has this Orthodox content been jammed into an article on Western Christianity? And placed first?
Does anyone object to the deletion of everything pertaining to Eastern Christianity, so that the article is actually about matins and not something else?
Varlaam (talk) 19:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your third question is surely rhetorical! I'm not expert enough to shorten it to a paragraph with see main article Orthros (which will need to be moved to Orthros (disambiguation)) explaining paraleles and differences to the Western form as well as use of "Matins" to refer to the Eastern liturgy, but I had a bold go at the lede, hoping I havn't erred too badly. Sparafucil (talk) 02:07, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]