Talk:Marseille roundup

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Internment camp[edit]

As many sites can show you, there was only one concentration camp in France (Struthof, in Alsace at the time part of the Reich). All the others, including Compiègne, were interment or transit camps : a few websites [1], [2] and there are many others. Poppypetty 20:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need Google for history of France, reading books by historians is fine, thank you. Start by stopping what amounts to revisionism immediately - and if you need some reading advice, I think that the Maurice Rajsfus' book, titled Drancy, un camp de concentration ordinaire, might be of a good place to start. Tazmaniacs

The name of the article is absurd: It was not a battle but a Roundup...

The french name of the event is "La Raffle de Marseille" and not "La bataille de Marseille. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.175.112.51 (talk) 02:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Marseille Raid"? GregorB (talk) 17:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article rename[edit]

A reader wrote in to point out that the article titled Battle of Marseille is misnamed. It should be called the Roundup of Marseille. The person notes that there was a battle of Marseille but it was in 1944, not 1943.

That battle seems to be the subject of the article Operation Dragoon.

I'm not 100% convinced (because of my lack of subject matter expertise) but it sounds plausible so I have gone ahead and moved the article. I trust that World War II experts will undo my change if I've made an error.--S Philbrick (Talk) 18:24, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, moving the article was not only advisable but necessary, for the reasons you gave; good job. This is one case where the checkbox for "create redirect page" should have been UNchecked, since the article was misnamed in the first place. That is, all the legitimate links in other articles to the Battle of Marseilles were redirected to Round up of Marseille, which is wrong. To remedy the situation, I altered the page at Battle of Marseille to change it from a REDIRECT page to an article stub, containing a single WP:LEADSENTENCE about what the Battle was, along with some minimal Reference, Portal, and See also support to make up a stub which is ready for improvement. Mathglot (talk) 23:25, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and you're right about Operation Dragoon, although before someone tries to link it directly to the French article fr:Bataille de Marseille just wanted to point out that Dragoon also included the Battle of Toulon and other skirmishes, so is a superset of Battle of Marseille. Mathglot (talk) 23:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, as with many phrasal verbs that have noun counterparts, "[to] round up" is a verb, "roundup" (sometimes hyphenated, but better without one, as no need for it) is a noun. Thus, the article should be renamed Roundup of Marseille. Mathglot (talk) 22:37, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

From French article[edit]

Le quartier est vidé de ses habitants avant destruction : environ 20,000 personnes sont évacuées de leur logement^[1]^[2]. Elinruby (talk) 06:25, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "A Marseille, la rafle oubliée du Vieux-Port". Le Monde.fr (in French). 2021-04-23. Retrieved 2021-04-24.
^ Chloé Leprince (6 June 2019). "Rafle à Marseille en 1943 : un quartier rasé et le petit rire de Pétain". France Culture (in français). Retrieved 11 November 2019.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (link)

[1] "A Marseille, la rafle oubliée du Vieux-Port". Le Monde.fr (in French). 2021-04-23. Retrieved 2021-04-24.

[2] Chloé Leprince (6 June 2019). "Rafle à Marseille en 1943 : un quartier rasé et le petit rire de Pétain". France Culture (in français). Retrieved 11 November 2019.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (link)

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