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the first and the seventh Link targets to the same place 91.50.253.140 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks! Hqb (talk) 19:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

This page was created by Jesus (LW). He did not copy and paste it onto a word document, he clearly wrote it then copied it from word to Wiki. Just hapily helping other kids that love RE at school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.82.100.162 (talk) 03:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Medallion

Orestek, would you consider moving the Maria Skłodowska-Curie Medallion illustration from the top of the "Marie Curie" article to a more appropriate place, where it would not stick out like a sore thumb—at the bottom of the article? Nihil novi (talk) 09:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC) hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.243.101.178 (talk) 13:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Marie/Maria

When/why did her name switch from Maria to Marie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.138.122.179 (talk) 15:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

"Maria" is the Polish version, "Marie"—the French. Nihil novi (talk) 17:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but she was Polish, not French. Therefore it should go back to "Maria". Norum 20:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

She was french, of polish origins. The only reference in the article to Maria Sklodowska should be right at the beginning. What made her famous are her work and publications (she even studied physics in France), which she did under the name Marie Curie, not maria Curie, not Marie Sklodowska-Curie. Article should say: "Marie Curie (nee Maria Sklodowska)".86.20.147.166 (talk) 10:48, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

She was Polish, she lived and worked in France in her later years. Sklodowska was a deeply patriotic Pole as evidenced by her daughter's biography of her. I'm not sure if you are trolling or not, but she even her noble diploma lists "sklodowska-curie". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.162.238 (talk) 20:24, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

She was Polish, she had never said different. Nevertheless the name is not so important, but surname? There should be Skłodowska-Curie. On the Nobel's diploma from 1911 is: "Skłodowska-Curie". This name is also on her tomb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.88.84.70 (talk) 09:16, 7 November 2011‎ (UTC)

I don't know how much weight this carries but here goes: "The New Encyclopaeddia Britannica" copyright 1978 (yes it's old but so am I), page 371, says the following: "Manya Sklodowska (familiarly known as Mania and later by her French name Marie) ..." (additionally the "L" in original "Sklodowska" quoted above has a slash through it which I am not knowledgeable enough to understand but did want to note in case it is of significance).

"Mania/Manya" is a diminutive form of Maria in Polish. Usually a pet name and probably not her official name. The stroke through the L is from Polish. In Polish this is pronounced as 'w' (a 'w' in Polish is pronounced 'V'), so it would be pronounced "skwodovska". Easy, huh ;-) (83.16.188.58 (talk) 07:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC))

On a related thread: To see how Marie Curie/Marie Sklodowska Curie/Marie Sklodowska-Curie/etc. was addressed by the Nobel organization in 1903 and 1911 (during and after her marriage) please see the following:

The Nobel Prize in Physics 1903 Presentation Speech

[1]

The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 1911 Presentation Speech

[2]

Since there appears to have been no protests from Mrs. Marie Curie/Marie Sklodowska Curie/Marie Sklodowska-Curie to being so addressed at these times perhaps we might consider adressing her in a similar way in the main article during and after her marriage years?

Donarnold (talk) 19:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

Marie Curie -> Marie Skłodowska-Curie

Survey

The following discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result was no move. Nonadmin closure. The Evil Spartan (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Oppose. She's normally called either Marie Curie or, even more commonly, Madame Curie. Andrewa (talk) 14:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Support. That was her name. And her daughter, and her daughter's husband, likewise combined their family names: Joliot-Curie. Nihil novi (talk) 15:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose We should follow the usage of standard sources; the biographies cited all use Curie. Similarly, the Joliot-Curies are also standard usage. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:NCP - her common name is Marie Curie. EJF (talk) 18:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Support per NIhil novi. I would even go for MARIA, because that was her real name. Space Cadet (talk) 19:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). In Google it's 2.5 million to 7,000 for plain old "Marie Curie". In Google Scholar it's 122,000 to 10. In Google Books it's 2000 to 69. Here's NobelPrize.org's bio of her, an organisation named in her memory, and another, the BBC, Britannica, Encarta, etc etc etc. Put her full name in the first line, but let the article be placed at the term mostly likely to be searched for. Callmederek (talk) 20:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak support I would prefer Marie Curie-Skłodowska rather because I know her under this name. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 22:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose No clear reason provided why this should made an exception to general naming conventions.Erudy (talk) 01:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:NCP. Subject is sufficiently well known to English speakers that this is an easy determination. — AjaxSmack 04:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose Far more people on English Wiki are going to look for her under the current name than any other. --Etacar11 04:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong support-she is known under that name.--Molobo (talk) 07:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The current title is clearly correct under Use common names guidelines: "When choosing a name for a page ask yourself: What word would the average user of the Wikipedia put into the search engine?" Powers T 18:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose, the by far most common name used by English-language texts being simply "Marie Curie". —Gabbe (talk) 23:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Support. This was her legal name. Additionally it is more inclusive of the multiple layers of her identity. Why does the simple addition of her maiden name bring up so much vitriol? Sklodowska-Curie is the name that's found on her tombstone in the Pantheon, in the High School named in her honor on Chicago's South Side. Isn't this the same rationale under which Roman Catholic saints are categorized (when known), under their real names on Wikipedia?--Orestek (talk) 08:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Although the longer hyphenated form is common in English, the shorter from is much more widely used. The evidence of usage given above is convincing and matches my experience. Knepflerle (talk) 13:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Marie Curie is how she is most commonly known in this country. The article rightly mentions her maiden/professional name in the lead paragraph. Plazak (talk) 14:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose. "Marie Curie" is the commonest form of her name in English. Fatsamsgrandslam (talk) 20:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose per all above. --John (talk) 20:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose because this is en.wiki. She can be Maria Skłodowska-Curie on the polish wiki (and she is). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Horsesforcorses (talk • contribs) 22:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Abstain. The shorter version is acceptable. For the longer - if we want the Polish one - it would have to be Maria, not Marie. The French version seems pretty dominant in English usage.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 14:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose. My explaination is in the discussion below. Still interested in the meaning of an abstain vote. Dr. Dan (talk) 14:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose In a perfect world, it would be titled Maria Skłodowska-Curie. But, like it or not, wikipedia is not a perfect world at all, and Marie Curie is clearly the most common English name. Ostap 16:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose. She is known in English primarily as Marie Curie. – Axman (☏) 15:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

From the survey: Support. That was her name. I think you mean that this was the name that she herself used at one stage in her life. Two problems with this approach: Firstly, it isn't supported by Wikipedia:naming conventions; Secondly, like many people she used several differnt names at different times of her life, so the question arises which to prefer. Andrewa (talk) 16:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

From the survey: "Why does the simple addition of her maiden name bring up so much vitriol?" You call this vitriol? This is just disagreement, not controversy or hate or incivility. =) Powers T 14:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

From the survey: "I would prefer Marie Curie-Skłodowska rather because I know her under this name (sic)." Happily he didn't know her as Marysieńka. Dr. Dan (talk) 04:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Remain strictly civil and do not attack others opinions. Marie Curie-Skłodowska is a name that is used for her in the Czech Republic. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 14:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but the basis of why you prefer the name change is an amazing and new type of argument in editing an encyclopedia. Was not meant to be uncivil, please do not take it that way. And what does usage in the Czech Republic have to do with the proper name on English WP? Dr. Dan (talk) 14:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
No problem then :) I know that it is a little bit odd that's why I gave weak support. But the magic words english wikipedia can't be applied as a formula to cast everything away. She is known also as Marie Curie-Skłodowska, she was born as Skłodowska so the proper heading should be Marie Curie-Skłodowska with Marie Curie and Maria Skłodowska as redirects. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 15:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

What is important: the correct name, or the best known one ? It's an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. --Lysytalk 07:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Also important: This is English Wikipedia. Curie is a famous person with an established name in the English language. In the case of some relativly unknown Hetman from the 16th century, it's hardly an issue IMHO. Stating her origins and maiden name are all fine and dandy, and important information. It's there in the article. The proposed name change is over the top, and is the continuation of the work by the same group of people who are clearly bent on instigating changes to English Wikipedia which are detrimental to the project. Dr. Dan (talk) 14:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not speaking for the whole community, so avoid being so judgmental about other editors. Google hit statistics are more "detrimental to the project" than using the REAL, CORRECT name, in my opinion. Space Cadet (talk) 15:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

You're entitled to your opinion too. Personally I have never liked Google hits as the final abiter of difficult issues, as they are too often "manipulated" and the like. Dr. Dan (talk) 18:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Long-standing consensus on the English Wikipedia is to use the "Most Common Name". This is because the primary goal is ease in finding the correct article and recognizing that one is at the correct article. That's why "Use Common Names" applies only to the article title, not to the bolded text in the lead. Powers T 15:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
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Notability of a related art piece

Please see Talk:Maria Skłodowska-Curie Medallion‎ and comment there on whether the article should be merged somewhere.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC) What happened ofter her father died? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.18.69.123 (talk) 18:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Nobel Prize Winners in Different categories

Near the top it says that Marie Curie is still the only one with 2 nobel prizes in different categories. Near the bottom it says the is one other person than Marie Curie. Which is it? 68.100.224.185 (talk) 11:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Please note that Winston Churchill won the Nobel Peace Prize and the Nobel Prize for literature, unless I am mistaken that is two prizes in two different categories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.1.74 (talk) 20:05, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no contradiction. The first mention actually says that she's the only person to have gotten a Nobel in two different "sciences" (not "categories"). The longer paragraph further down in the article spells out the details. Hqb (talk) 11:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. 68.100.224.185 (talk) 15:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Curie is not the only person to win 2 Noble Prizes- Linus Pauling won the Noble Peace Prize in 1962 and a Noble Prize in Chemistry in 1954. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.175.194.61 (talk) 15:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

  • As stated above she is the only one to have won two science Nobels. Peace isn't a science. --Etacar11 18:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Speaking of which, how come her template doesn't have ? I would add it, but I'm blocked -168.7.214.111 (talk) 23:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually besides madam curie there is one person who has WON nobel prizes in science two times. It was John Bardeen . He won it twice. Once for inventing the transistor with his 2 other partners . Another for inventing the theory of superconductivity with 1 other partner. Both were in science. I thought wikipedia writers knew what they were writing about. Anyway I finally believe what others say " Dont believe everything u read in wikipedia ". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.89.105.5 (talk) 06:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Your point being? The article very clearly says that she's the only one to win a Nobel in two different science fields. Both of Bardeens prizes were in Physics, and just for completeness, Frederick Sanger is a double laureate in Chemistry. Hqb (talk) 11:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I just made the same misunderstanding. I think the sentence should be rephrased. It is too subtle the way it is now. Who really thinks of the precise difference between 'science' and 'category' when skimming over the text? Zaglabarg (talk) 19:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I actually agree: though the article is correct as written, it's a bit of a silly distinction to make in the first place. There are only 4 people total to have won two Nobels, and it's not really clear why winning in two different sciences should in itself be considered more notable or remarkable than winning in both a science and Peace (Pauling), or (hypothetically) in a science and Literature. For that matter, though Curie's prizes were classified as different sciences, the underlying work was in two closely related areas that just happened to straddle the Physics–Chemistry boundary, while Bardeen's was on two arguably more distinct topics within Physics, and at least one of Sanger's prizes could also reasonably have been classified as Medicine/Physiology; so it's not like she demonstrated a much broader span of talents than any of the others. Is there a reliable source that remarks specifically on Curie's prizes being in two different sciences as a unique quality? Otherwise, we may be getting into original synthesis territory by making such a big deal out of it. Hqb (talk) 20:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
While not promoting or denigrating anyone's beliefs:

I would respectfully suggest that you consider enhancing "Dont believe everything u read in wikipedia"

to something like "Don't BELIEVE everything, or anything, you read in any single information source and please feel free to update Wiki when you think that doing so can add value to it"

More and different perspectives usually provide a picture that more closely resembles reality as best we can know it.

Wiki appears to be an evolving and iterative information source built and maintained by folks who don't have to pretend to be more than they are. It's one of the few places in this world where normal, average folks can work together to to add light to the whole world one tiny bit at a time. I'm a very small, weak, old tiny ant in the Wiki hill and I feel good about the hill and my minuscule part in it. Donarnold (talk) 19:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

She is however the only woman to win two Nobel Prizes (and FWIW Churchill was disappointed not to win a Peace Prize, he only won literature). NBeale (talk) 23:08, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

She is not the only person to be awarded two Nobel Prizes. Though she is the only person to be awarded two Nobel Prizes in two different science categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathanxbox20 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Doctoral supervisor

There seems to be some confusion over who was Marie's doctoral supervisor: Henri Becquerel or Gabriel Lippmann. Seemingly reliable sources exist for both, but on the balance, most seem to favor Becquerel (as the article originally said). For example, this piece in the British Journal of Radiology looks quite thoroughly researched and referenced, and states unequivocally that Becquerel was her doctoral supervisor, while mentioning Lippmann only in passing as one of her other professors, who supervised her earlier research project on magnetism.

I'm going to restore Becquerel as her supervisor in the article, until someone provides a definitive sources that it was Lippmann after all. Hqb (talk) 09:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I had should talk first before editing. According to biography written by American Institute of Physics (History Center) Lippmann was the advisor: [1]. When I looked for some biographies, I couldn't find straight answer, maybe the biopgraphiests try to avoid this subject :) There was just mention that Lippmann did teach Curie, but nothing mention about Becquerel. I think British Journal of Radiology is thrustworthy so maybe we should keep Becquerel as the advisor but maybe we could mention that some sources claims Lippmann as the advisor? But anyhow, thanks for the PDF. I'm working on this subject at fi-wiki fi:Marie Curie and the PDF is very nice source for me! --QWerk (talk) 11:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I suspect that the real story is somewhere in between, for example that she started out with Lippmann as her supervisor, but then switched to Becquerel for her thesis work. It's also well established that Lippmann was a member of her examination committee [2]. I believe that, in the French tradition, this means that he could not also have been her formal supervisor, but the rules may well have been different in 1903. Hqb (talk) 12:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Genius

Marie Curie is called a genius in the article. This could be viewed as a peacock word.

The receipt of separate Nobel Prizes seems to justify the designation. Please sign your posts. JNW (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
JNW quotes an ipse dixit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.168.251 (talk) 13:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

According to WP:PEACOCK, genius is a word to avoid. M0RD00R (talk) 14:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC) Lenard, a Nazi, was awarded a Nobel Prize at about the same time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.168.251 (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

My regrets if I deleted good faith observations. Re: the use of 'genius': in context, it seems to refer to cited text, Pierre Curie's reaction to her. If so, it would be valid, but if it's a contributor's spin, then it is suspect. As for the Nobel: the sharing of an award with another recipient neither invalidates nor compromises the honor. JNW (talk) 14:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The word "genius" does appear in the cited Gwiazda Polarna article, but it's not clear whether it was a term verifiably used by Pierre himself, or just the reporter's personal interpretation of the situation. Note that the Gwiazda article is itself a summary and review of a recent biography of Marie, so this is third-hand information at best. Hqb (talk) 15:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Hopefully my last thoughts on the this: after re-reading the sentence He soon realized that in Skłodowska he had met a genius, one wonders if the issue isn't the word we've been discussing, but whether the entire sentence, though a romantic and probably truthful sentiment, is gratuitous. Given my haste to delete here earlier, I don't want to touch the article now, but would rather leave it for discussion. Respectfully, JNW (talk) 20:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I've deleted this obvious WP:PEACOCK sentence. Hope no-one will object, so we don't have to waste any more time on this minor issue. Cheers. M0RD00R (talk) 20:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


Just A Friendly Heads Up

Its no big deal, and compared to the other comments non important but i would just like to let you know that you repeat the word her in the section entitled Pierre's Death. It is in the section where you say that she receives a second Nobel Prize. Just a FYI Chris gonzalez (talk —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. In general, feel free to fix trivial spelling/grammar problems yourself ("Be bold!"); it's not necessary to bring up uncontroversial changes on the talk page. In this particular instance, however, "awarded her her second Nobel prize" is actually quite correct, if perhaps a little inelegant. Hqb (talk) 13:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Changed it to "awarded her a second Nobel prize" which is just as correct and a little more elegant. I think ;-)    SIS  10:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Cause of death

Another Wikipedia page lists a separate cause of death:

"Curie later died from aplastic anemia assumed due to her work with radium, but later examination of her bones showed that she had been a careful laboratory worker and had a low burden of radium. A more likely cause was her exposure to unshielded X-ray tubes while a volunteer medical worker in WWI"

from page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning

Neither the Marie Curie page or the Radiation poisoning pages cite references. How should this be reconciled? Honey38 (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC)honey38

neither ...nor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.114.202 (talk) 20:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Headings

Should the last line of post war years be in the Death heading? it starts rather abruptly. (64.178.98.159 (talk) 16:44, 10 January 2009 (UTC))

Added 3rd-level headings.

--UnicornTapestry (talk) 03:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm new to Wikipedia so please forgive me if this is entered in the wrong place.

I'm not sure how Wiki deals with anecdotes, but often they are what makes history fun to read.

In 1984 I was a student at Keene State College, in Keene, NH. Dr. Layman (Layman, Frederic G)was the department head for geology.

One day he told me that he met Madame Curie (his words) when he was a student at Harvard. Madame Curie had come to study Harvard's radioactive mineral specimen collection. His comment was simple and perhaps it might give an insight to the severity of exposure to radiation that Madame Curie experienced, at least on occasion. Dr. Layman commented that after studying the minerals her face "looked like she had received a bad sunburn."

Jsflynn603 (talk) 15:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)J Stephen Flynn 11/07/11 stephenflynn(remove)[email protected]

Statue photo would be nice

Would be nice to include a photo of the statue of her in front of Warsaw's Curie Institute in the Honors section. --Pmsyyz (talk) 07:14, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Or in the "Post-war years" section, where the Institute is discussed. Maybe someone can find or make a photo. Nihil novi (talk) 10:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Format of dates

Looks like there has been some back and forth. It seems that the common form ie July 4, 1900, is pretty straight forward for the EN Wiki. What do others think? Thank you, --Tom 14:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Can the info box be edited to match this? --Tom 14:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Vintersorg song

Since the page is protected, I cannot add this myself, so please can someone else add some about the song named "Stralar" on the Solens Rötter album of the Swedish folk/progressive metal act Vintersorg in the tributes section? Song lyrics directly refers to Marie Curie and can be found here: [3] (both original Swedish lyrics and its English translation)--95.65.156.189 (talk) 20:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

This is not imortant enough to go into the article.--Stone (talk) 21:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

What about the shuttlecraft Curie????

Why can't we include a reference to this? (Anyone who knows what I'm talking about, great job!)Jackass110 (talk) 02:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

If you have documented information on such a craft, feel free to add it! Nihil novi (talk) 05:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi! Am I too late to vote on the name change???

Are you guys serious? You recommend the title be kept as Marie Curie because that's how most people (Americans) refer to her? Most people refer to the ninth Beatles album as "The White Album", not "The Beatles", yet the article is named The Beatles (album). It's also a little awkward when an article named "Marie Curie" has an abundance of photos displaying the name "Marie Sklodowska-Curie". 198.135.203.9 (talk) 19:17, 14 August 2009 (UTC) By David Liu and him alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.109.209.60 (talk) 20:11, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Another concession to Political Correctness. Are you kidding me? When I went to look at her entry I kept wondering what feminist/PC fool insisted on this change. She's Marie Curie - the entire world knows her by that name. Give up on this idiocy.Brprivate (talk) 19:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

You're a bigot who refuses to recognize Marie Sklodowska-Curie's true name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.162.238 (talk) 20:28, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Error under Pierre's Death section

"Recognition for her work grew to new heights and in 1911 the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences awarded her a second Nobel Prize, this time for Physics." Her 1911 Nobel Prize was for Chemistry, not Physics, according to the info box at the top of the page. Thanks! dobo (talk) 16:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I've corrected the error. Nihil novi (talk) 18:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

minor complaint about punctuation

I'd be grateful if an editor could improve the punctation in the following sentence, which describes the radioactivity of Curie's notebooks:

They are kept in lead-lined boxes and those who wish to consult them, must wear protective clothing.

There shouldn't be any comma after "them".

75.28.178.103 (talk) 17:43, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I've made the change. Mindmatrix 22:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

pretty blue-green light

While I can't say how true that statement is I put a link to Cherenkov radiation as this would be possible if the samples were in a liquid. However, someone really should try to find out if she actually said that.Cambion (talk) 01:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe the common explanation is that the glow was due to fluorescence from contaminants in her samples; pure radium doesn't glow. Hqb (talk) 16:40, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Note section

The notes section seems to be trivia. I don't see why 'Family' cannot just be its own category in that block.Jickyincognito (talk) 19:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Bold textWorld War 1Bold text Eve Curies biography states that the medals her mother offered to help finance the war effort were rejected by officials, only the cash including the award for her second Nobel Prize was accepted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.123.128.114 (talk) 22:52, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

marie curie

i am doing a science project and i would love some more information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.110.127.90 (talk) 13:19, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Read the article, read all the books given in reference, check all the links, then do your project. --Frania W. (talk) 03:50, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Citizenship

It does state that had russian citizenship and then french. Did she have polish citizenship after Poland gainded independence in 1918? Norum 21:58, 21 May 2010 (UTC) ha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.76.57.49 (talk) 21:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


Polish...no French — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.47.66.136 (talk) 23:17, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Case study of a similar case by a German court of law. It appears clear that Marie Curie did not have Polish citizenship. Skippy le Grand Gourou (talk) 12:47, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Polish-born French ?

I'd say that "Polish-born French" statement can be perceived as a little controversy. The article clearly says that she went to France when she was 24, so not only was she born, but also had studied in Poland for a couple of years. Saying that someone was Polish-born is more precise for one who happened to be born in Poland, but emigrated when was like 3, hardly talking in his or her native language. If I would go to France right now i start studying there, i'm pretty sure no one would call me a French [i'm not french btw]. And I guess no one thought that Maria Curie is french in her times (especially before she got married). So wouldn't it be more natural to say that she a Polish working and living in France? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.75.121.133 (talk) 19:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

The Anglo-Americans follow a geographic principle when calling people country names: country of principal residence after settling down. Examples: Arnold Schwartzenegger is thus an Austrian born American actor and politician, Handel a German born English composer, Picasso a Spanish born French painter, and so on. The ethnicity does not count. For the Poles it's both good news, as Copernicus is a Prussian born Polish astronomer, and bad news, as Fryderyk Chopin becomes a Polish born French composer. In other countries it is the other way round (Copernicus is German in Germany, but Chopin is Polish), ethnicity counts.--Jidu Boite (talk) 15:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Let's see then what wiki says about them.
"Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger[1] (born July 30, 1947) is an Austrian-American[...]"
"George Frideric Handel (German: Georg Friedrich Händel; pronounced [ˈhɛndəl]) (23 February 1685 – 14 April 1759) was a German-British"
"Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz y Picasso known as Pablo Ruiz Picasso (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈpaβlo ˈrwiθ piˈkaso]; 25 October 1881 – 8 April 1973) was a Spanish painter, draughtsman, and sculptor who lived most of his adult life in France."
"Frédéric François Chopin (Polish: Fryderyk Franciszek Chopin; 22 February or 1 March 1810 – 17 October 1849) was a Polish composer, virtuoso pianist, and music teacher, of French–Polish parentage."
Copernicus is supposedly so controversial, that his wiki article doesn't mention his nationality in the begining. Though nearly every other encyclopedia says he's Polish.
So, every single example you provided actually invalidates your claim. And the list could go on:
"Sri Lankabhimanya Sir Arthur Charles Clarke, CBE, FRAS (16 December 1917 – 19 March 2008) was a British science fiction author"
"Stanisław Marcin Ulam (April 13, 1909 – May 13, 1984) was a renowned Polish mathematician of Polish-Jewish origin"Devik Crazystar (talk) 13:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


When Marie Skłodowska-Curie became a French citizen at time of her marriage, she lost her Polish citizenship (French Civil Code). Her case cannot be compared to that of Frédéric Chopin who was born both French & Polish because of the French nationality of his father, and thus retained both nationalities all his life (French Civil Code).
--Frania W. (talk) 16:59, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
and is this an argument for her being french? please... because french civil code said so? So for instance you could say that there are no such peoples like Kurds or Chechen... She was polish, she visited Poland until her death and she've given her money to create institutions in Poland. So, if you all are so keen to emphasize that she had this petty french citizenship one could eventually say that she was a polish scientist with french citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.99.32.10 (talk) 21:15, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Since 1466 Toruń was a Polish town so Mikołaj Kopernik (Copernicus) is Polish born —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.170.162.73 (talk) 18:14, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
"she lost her Polish citizenship" - except there was no such thing at the time. Poland had ceased to exist as a sovereign state in 1795, and as any kind of separate entity under Russia in a gradual eroding-down during the middle decades of the 19th century (see Congress Poland); so if anything she had been a Russian citizen. Though the very idea of citizenship (with legal limitations and the rule of a constitution) was alien to the Russian empire and I hasten to add that Marie Curie would have hated to be perceived as Russian.
For this article though, I would support "Polish-French".Strausszek (talk) 20:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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As Marie Curie is "a Polish born French" , why is it wrote that she's polish in the article ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.251.178.40 (talk) 14:05, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Because she was Polish and thought of herself as Polish. As far as I know she didn't even like the French very much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ysengrinn (talk • contribs) 05:45, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
she didn't like the French much, but married one nonetheless and gave him several French children who never went to Poland because Paris is the most beautiful place on Earth. Marie Curie chose France to live because Poland sucked ass and it still does suck ass big time. Nobody emigrates to Poland. Nobody wants to become Polish. It's completely stupid!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.230.30.143 (talk) 14:15, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
on contrary france is great, still. people imigrate and burn outskirts of paris. KEEP IT GOING PAL! - btw, what does that have to do with the topic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.99.32.10 (talk) 21:19, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
was stated in one of her biographies that she hired a Polish governess for her girls and taught them Polish. bel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.42.90.99 (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


FYI, the Polish page on Marie Curie states that she's a French scientist... "A Polish-French scientist" would be a nice option wouldn't it??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.112.182.206 (talk) 18:36, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

error in WW1 section

It is clearly stated in her daughters biography that Marie Curie OFFERED her gold medals to the appeal for the war effort , but the offer was refused. Her money,which included prize money, was accepted.130.123.96.23 (talk) 00:05, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from DiannaAgron12345, 26 July 2011

Marie Curie was born Marya Salomea Sklodowska. DiannaAgron12345 (talk) 18:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Already in the article. Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:50, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

A Curious Notion Comes to Mind

...In that while perusing the Wiki synopsis on the Spectroscope and spectrocospy, I began to ponder whether Madam Curie and her husband, the great Pierre ever used, or considered employing the spectroscope, or metods of specrroscopy in their research and experimets into finding which eleemnts, minerals, or compounds held the properties of (high frequency)radiation emmision. (Nothing is mentioned in any of the biographies, or the published remenieneces of the Curies' daughter.) I noticed that two scientists were able to discover Cessium and, in the late nineteenth century. Might had the Curies employed advanced spectroscopic methods in their analyses, and pursuit of discovering and isolating irradiated minerals? Madam Curie often complained of her and Pierre's frustration with attemps to exicite the isotope Pollonium to give off noticeable and measurable radiation, save for the introduction of a mixture of certain salt crytals, which amplified the radiation count. Another interesting caveat is that years earlier, Pierre and his brother discovered how Quartz and other such natural mineral crystals could be made to generate small amounts of electrical phenomeon, later dubbed "pizo electric effect"; besides the induced vibratory resonance, which was later employed in powering the mechanical pocket watch, and much later used in resonant "tuning" of electromagnetic signals of more than 800Hz\sec(?), leading to the development of the radio. Was spectroscopy ever employed in these endeavors? For that matter how about Guisseppi Marconi, or Nicolo Tesla endeavoring using spectroscopic methods in their respective experiments. As far as I know Niels Bohr was the only one working with the Curies who was also involved with Spectroscopy in their pursuit of discovering the power of the atom. --67.86.107.30 (talk) 06:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)Veryverser

Requested move 2011

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The result of the move request was: Page reverted to previous name. Ng.j (talk) 14:14, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Maria Skłodowska–Curie → Marie Curie – Per WP:UCN. The page was recently moved from Marie Curie to here with no discussion whatsoever. ― A. di M.​plé​dréachtaí 00:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

  • Support. A textbook example of why WP:COMMONNAME is policy. Jenks24 (talk) 01:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Support. There was no consensus to move it back in 2008, and there have been no further discussions since then, yet the article seems to have been unilaterally moved without consensus to this curious namespace, where few would search. Sure that it's her full name, but it would be a joke to keep it here, even with the battery of redirects in place. I have reverted the move and have left a message for the user who executed the move. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 02:14, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
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Edit request from Jadodge07, 26 September 2011

According to his wikipedia page, Pierre Curie, Marie Curie's spouse, was born in 1859, not 1895. Just a tiny correction.

Jadodge07 (talk) 14:47, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

 Done, thanks for pointing it out--Jac16888 Talk 15:57, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

No section for Marie's children?

On the article there is no section that talks about her children, it would be much easier for someone to do research on her family if it included some distinct section talking about children. Rgbc2000 (talk) 00:01, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 7 November 2011

Please change first line of the article about Maria Skłodowska-Curie which is currently as follows: Marie Skłodowska Curie (7 November 1867 – 4 July 1934) was a Polish–French physicist–chemist famous for her pioneering research on radioactivity. PLEASE CHANGE TO Marie Skłodowska Curie (7 November 1867 – 4 July 1934) was a POLISH physicist–chemist famous for her pioneering research on radioactivity. It is so because the person in question was of polish origin (both parents Polish) and ethnicity and could not be therefore called French. She left occupied Poland when she was 24 and had no links to France prior to that. Therefore she was a Polish immigrant in France (with Russian passport) and that was her legal status. Please note that person who acquires a citizenship is not automaticallay called French or English. Those are a names for nationality - which is connected with ethnical origin and/or place of birth. Citizenship does not make a national but a citizen in that sense. It can make one British for instance (after receiving a second passport) but does not make one English, Welsh or Scotisch for that matter (those are officially nationalities). Please do not call fer French just because French would like to have her caled French just because she was famous. Their treatment of Polish immigrants in 19th (and 20th) Century was often rather hostile. I know it is a complicated matter but she was Polish even though at the time Poland was partly occupied by Russia and she initially had Russian passport. It did not make her Russsian though did it not? She was Polish, simple as that.Pleas sort it out:) Thanks very much, lots of appreciation for your work guys!!!

86.31.199.35 (talk) 09:17, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Please have a look at WP:OPENPARA. She was a French citizen by the time she received her Nobel Prizes. Favonian (talk) 09:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Then why is the whole article littered with twisting of her name into "Skłodowska–Curie"? Her name was Curie. 71.200.35.243 (talk) 17:19, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 7 November 2011

Marie Skłodowska Curie (7 November 1867 – 4 July 1934) was a Polish–French physicist and chemist, famous for her pioneering research on radioactivity. She was the first person honored with two Nobel Prizes[1]—in physics and chemistry. She was the first female professor at the University of Paris, and in 1895 became the first woman to be entombed on her own merits in the Paris Panthéon.[citation needed]

Sumantsb (talk) 11:17, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Are you implying that they entombed her 39 years before her death? Yikes! Seriously, the article correctly states that she was entombed in 1995. Favonian (talk) 11:23, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Hyphenated name

Since she didn't hyphenate her name (note her signature), why is it hyphenated throughout? 71.200.35.243 (talk) 12:32, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Looks like you're right. At present, though, the article mentions the long form of her name in the lead. Favonian (talk) 20:57, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Was a Polish-born , not Polish–French

you know it's true, both parents Polish do you think that Albert Einstein was a Germany-Stateless-Switzerland-Austria-United States theoretical physicist ?? Albert Einstein Was a German-born — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winooo (talk • contribs) 16:39, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Please have a look at WP:OPENPARA. Regarding nationality, it says "country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable". That would be France in her case. Favonian (talk) 18:53, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Indeed we should take into account that Marie Curie spent most of her life in France, studied and made most of her works in that country, as a french scientist. As opposed to Einstein who did not spent most of his life in a specific country. It's a controversial topic, but she is widely viewed as a Polish-French scientist (see this article from the Encyclopædia Britannica online). Hence, I think the term "Polish-born French" fits pretty well in this case.
Best regards. Mouloud47 (talk) 19:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Maria born in Poland, both parents are Polish, She left occupied Poland when she was 24 and had no links to France prior to that. term "Polish-French" is mega no proper, "Was a Polish-born and She later received French citizenship" Maria would get no French citizenship without hard work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winooo (talk • contribs) 20:34, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Marrying a Frenchman might have helped in that respect, but you really, really should read WP:OPENPARA. She was a French citizen when she did the research that led to her receiving the Nobel Prizes. Favonian (talk) 20:59, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

YES thank you, i was reading this WP:OPENPARA. And YES She was only a French citizen that all. But writing that She was Polish–French is misleading. "She Was a Polish-born that later received a French citizenship" And citizenship is written on the right box, under the image. And this is not about nobel prizes, research . thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winooo (talk • contribs) 21:25, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Polish-born could implied that she was born in Poland and moved somewhere else as an infant. I think Polish-French is a fair description; she spend her youth in Poland and adult life in France. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 23:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

She was Born in Poland, "Polish-French" is misleading , both parents are Polish,--Winooo (talk) 11:56, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you that « Polish-French » is misleading. That’s why I proposed « Polish-born French » as it is a frequent way to solve this kind of issues on Wikipedia (see Roman_Opalka or Pierre Cardin). As I said before, I think it would be fair in order to take into account the fact that she is widely viewed as a Polish-born French scientist (again you can see the article from the Encyclopaedia Britannica online for that matter. Best regards. Mouloud47 (talk) 18:04, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm, the Polish Wiki also agrees that this is the right formula ("wywodząca się z Polski (z Królestwa Polskiego) francuska uczona"), so I'll withdrew my objection to the Polish-born. What should be done to the nationality in the infobox, which currently states "Polish"? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 18:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


Infobox is ok. Polish-born" is not synonymous with "Polish." She was Polish. wrote "Nihil novi" and i agree.

"She was a Polish physicist and chemist, who later received French citizenship." Example, Pablo Picasso english article . Cheers --Winooo (talk) 11:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

How about, in the lead, simply "was a Polish-born physicist and chemist..." without going into her subsequent citizenships, etc. Her connection with France is quite clear from her residence and work in France, her marriage to Pierre Curie, etc.
To be sure, "Polish-born" is ambiguous. From that phrasing, she could have been Armenian or Chinese born in Poland. But unless an unequivocal alternative expression is found, perhaps this may do. Nihil novi (talk) 11:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
According to WP:OPENPARA, the lead should mention the "country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable". Since her notability derives from research done after she became a French citizen, that must receive "top billing". Favonian (talk) 12:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and regarding Picasso, mentioned above, I don't think he ever became a French citizen. Favonian (talk) 12:14, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
In the case of Copernicus, the "nationality question" was resolved by not mentioning nationality in the lead at all. I propose that this precedent be applied in the case of Maria Skłodowska-Curie. ("Marie Skłodowska-Curie (7 November 1867 – 4 July 1934) was a physicist and chemist famous for her pioneering research on radioactivity.") Nihil novi (talk) 12:25, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

Marie Curie -> Maria Skłodowska-Curie

English article is incorrect. Here should be Skłodowska-Curie. On the Nobel's diploma from 1911 is: "Skłodowska-Curie". This name is also on her tomb. Name "Marie Curie" is Fransh shortcut.

Article waiting to be moved.--Winooo (talk) 12:21, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

This topic has already been extensively discussed and the result has always been in favor of the current name: "Marie Curie", notably per WP:UCN. Hence, I advise you to read carefully the previous discussions over this issue: Talk:Marie_Curie/Archive_1#Requested_move_1 and Talk:Marie_Curie#Requested_move. Best regards. Mouloud47 (talk) 18:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
So it's a matter of discussion? If I get enough votes can I get wikipedia to say that Hitler was a famous french ballet dancer? And all this time I thought that Wikipedia was about facts, not opinions. And facts say she was Maria Skłodowska-Curie, commonly known as Marie Curie.
It's a matter of consensus, period. WP:UCN is applied frequently throughout Wikipedia, which is why Marion Mitchell Morrison is a redirect. OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:17, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
OK. I don't like it but I understand it. Could at least table on right be factual and have Maria instead of Marie? Or is that also not about facts but consensus? Skłodowska-Curie is written correctly, so why not her first name... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.75.56.220 (talk) 19:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Maria, not Marie

She was born with polish name not french and this is the english article. Maria Skłodowska-Curie , not Marie Curie --Winooo (talk) 13:15, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

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Article lacks references. Explantion of scientific work should be expanded. Kaldari 23:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

For explanation of scientific work - reference
A. Pais in OUT OF THE SHADOWS: CONTRIBUTIONS OF 20TH CENTURY WOMEN TO PHYSICS Nina Byers and Gary Williams, ed., Cambridge University Press 2006

Also link to

"Marie Sklodowska Curie" in http://cwp.library.ucla.edu/Phase2/Curie,[email protected]

CWP at UCLA

21:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)21:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It is important to note that a factor involved in Marie Curie's acknowledged achievements was Pierre's attitude towards all creative people - men and women. The Curie's life together was a team work between equals. As such, Marie's first published scientific articles had solo authorship and not co-authored by Pierre (which he rightly could have done) so that her status as a scientist could be established early in her career. This information was given to me personally by Pierre and Marie's granddaughter, Helene Langevin, in a private interview that took place at the Institut Curie in Paris, September 2009. Frances Oesterfelt - Copenhagen, Denmark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frances Oesterfelt (talk • contribs) 18:10, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

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  1. ^ http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1903/press.html
  2. ^ http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1911/press.html
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