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Royal House

Are her children in the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg or Laborde de Monpezat? (Alphaboi867 23:25, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC))

In Denmark, we consider them to be Glücksburgers, and Crown Prince Frederik has not indicated any desire to change neither the dynasty's name nor the coat of arms when he becomes king. However, his younger brother Prince Joachim officially uses a variation of the royal coat-of-arms. The official royal coat-of-arms carries a centre escutcheon with the arms of the former dynasty, the House of Oldenburg, which is also used by the House of Glücksburg. Prince Joachim uses a coat-of-arms where the escutcheon is vertically devided between the arms of Oldenburg and Laborde de Montpezat (dexter: Oldenburg, sinister: Laborde de Montpezat). It is probably just a sign of respect for his father. --Valentinian 13:58, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

A coin !?

That's the best do-able? I admit it's better then nothing, but it looks terrible (and does the same for her). Anyone have a better pic? Thanx 68.39.174.150 04:41, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don't know why there isnt a better picture, as i have seen a photo of her on her page twice now, but it always seems to be replaced by a photo of a coin.

Because we have no copyright-free photo. The ones that were on were copyright and had to be deleted on sight. Otherwise wikipedia and the person who downloaded them could have been sued. As we have no other image we legally can use we have to use the coin. If we ever can get a copyright-free image of the Queen we can use it. If we can't, we will be stuck with the coin. FearÉIREANN 22:53, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A private picture is available on Swedish Wikipedia sv:Margrethe_II_av_Danmark. Apparently it is PD and GFDL but I don't know how to upload it to the English Wikipedia --Valentinian 13:30, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

A Possible copyright problem

Princess Margrethe (pronounced Margretta) was baptised on 14 May 1940 at The Naval Church and confirmed on 1 April 1955 at Fredensborg Palace. As the Danish king was also sovereign of Iceland at the time, as a courtesy the princess was given an Icelandic middle name, Þorhildur (spelt with the Icelandic thorn character, transliterated "th").
Margrethe was not born to be Queen, even though she was the child of a Monarch. At the time of her birth in Denmark, only males could ascend to the throne. Since Margrethe had no brothers it was assumed that one of her uncles would one day assume the throne. However, in 1952 Queen Elizabeth II ascended to the throne of the United Kingdom and this caused questioning into why a woman could not become Queen of Denmark. As a result, a referendum was held and on 27 March 1953 a new Act of Succession permitted female succession to the throne of Denmark, but only if the King had no sons. Princess Margrethe was therefore Heiress Presumptive to the Danish throne.''

I think this came from an article on Margrethe II from the the Insight Guide ot Denmark. ISBN 9814120731 159753 18:42, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

It's also inaccurate - Denmark has normal male-preference primogeniture, doesn't it? Meaning that the daughter of a deceased elder son of the King can succeed ahead of a younger son. Which this relation implies wouldn't happen. Also, Queen Margrethe had only one uncle, Prince Knud. Since had several sons, it was rather unlikely that either of Margrethe's grand-uncles (Christian X's brothers other than Haakon VII of Norway, who was out of the succession) would inherit. john k 19:05, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

She is also an accomplished translator and is said to have participated in the Danish translation of this book.

Say what??? Lhademmor 12:40, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Uh, yeah....let's remove it. john k 16:27, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Constitutional process in forming government

"After consultation with representatives of the political parties, the Leader of the Party which holds the largest number of seats in the Danish Parliament is invited to form a new government." This is not technically totally correct - more correct would be "the leader of the party with support from the largest number of members of parliament...". With the large number of parties represented in the Danish parliament, governments are quite often formed by leaders of smaller parties. The requirement is basically that there not be a majority against you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Denmark EFLarup 19:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

What is Her Majesty's baptismal date?

The current text says she was baptized on May 14, 1930. This is clearly impossible since she was not born until 1940. Should it say May 14, 1940? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.36.31 (talk) 03:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

Somebody had been playing with the date. She was baptized on May 14, 1940 at Holmens Kirke (the Copenhagen Naval Church). Her confirmation was on April 1, 1955 (Frederiksborg Palace). Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Þorhildur

Actually, I think the queen's name Þhorhildur isn't Icelandic, but Faroese. --80.166.176.169 (talk) 19:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

No, Þ does not exist in Faroese. Iceland was part of The Danish Realm at the time of her birth. Therefore she received an Icelandic name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.164.41.45 (talk) 23:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Languages

I've personally heard the queen speak Faroese, and I presume she has at least basic Icelandic language skills, but can anyone find any documentation on this? 13:20, 31 Dec 2006 (UTC)

She has stated herself that she can read and pronounce Faroese, meaning that she does not speak it actively. This is possible for other Scandinavians with a couple of years of practice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.164.41.45 (talk) 00:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

A Joke?

Who on Earth is the "Benjamin Bach" mentioned in this article? And who is the Benjamin Bach mentioned in the ariticle about Queen Margrete I of the Kalmar Union? This claim must be verified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.164.41.45 (talk) 00:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

It seems that mr Bach has been coming and going since the page was formed. Is it a persistent saboteur logging on from different computers or is it some sort of virus? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.164.41.45 (talk) 19:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Untitled

It looks like Lir ia partway correct; Margrethe II of Denmark gets 830 hits on Google whereas Margaret II of Denmark gets 30 (with this page being number 1). I will therefore make the move. --mav

indeed...Lir 21:26 Nov 10, 2002 (UTC)

Actually, the Queens full name /is/ Margrethe Alexandrine Þorhildur Ingrid, even though the Danish alphabet does not contain the thorn, Icelandic does. When Queen Margrethe was born, the Danish king was still sovereign of Iceland; and as a courtesy to Iceland, she got a Icelandic middlename. But there seem to have been an edit-war on this before. Could anyone help on the correct guidelines to use? Rasmus Faber 18:52, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

No reply, but it seems that other pages on monarchs and heads of states uses the native spelling. If someone is in doubt that Queen Margrethe actually uses the Þ in her name, here is a link to the Danish royal family's homepage: http://kongehuset.dk/artikel.php?dogtag=kh_en_rf_tq . Rasmus Faber 13:50, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
That link expired. Here is a new one: http://kongehuset.dk/publish.php?dogtag=k_dk_familien_dronningen --Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 01:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Daisy

The queen is often informally referred to by the name Daisy. I think this should be mentioned, but does anyone know how/why she got this nick-name. O0pyromancer0o 03:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The nickname is an anglification (right word?) of the name Margrethe. The name Margrethe has a connection with the Daisy flower, in danish called Marguritter.--Nwinther (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Name

The danish royal family has last name REX so that is missing in her name mentioned in this article -luise —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.167.173.177 (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

"Rex" is the Latin word for "King", so it's a title rather than a family name. Queen Margrethe's grandfather Christian X would sign letters "Christian Rex", but I believe this style has gone out of fashion. At any rate, in her case it would be "Regina" ("Queen"). Favonian (talk) 08:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Titles in template

An IP editor has recently changed the template on this article to include titles of the people listed (see diff). Could somebody tell me, whether this is regulated by the Manual of Style or otherwise? I think it is actually a good change, since it makes the page more informative. --Law Lord (talk) 22:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Danish dynasty

Can anyone confirm that the Crown Prince should be listed as part of the 'House of Laborde de Monpezat' rather then the House of Glücksburg?♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 12:41, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Notice

User:Drachenfyre and a number of other editors discussed this issue at Talk:Frederik,_Crown_Prince_of_Denmark#Dynasty --Law Lord (talk) 22:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Removal of useless info

I remove the entire section of "Kinship with European counterparts" because it's all trivial and genealogy. You can just summarize all the info by saying she was relative to all European monarchs. I don't see any such sections on any of her European counterparts so why do we have it here. I think someone just wanted to fill some space with it.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 06:45, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

royal style

what is her full royal style? is it just Queen of Denmark? 98.206.155.53 (talk) 18:49, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Margrethe II abandoned all the titles of her predecessors. Her father and grandfather were styled By the Grace of God, King of Denmark, the Wends and the Goths, Duke of Schleswig, Holstein, Stormarn, Dithmarschen, Lauenburg and Oldenburg. All the German possessions were lost in the Schleswig-Holstein wars and King of the Wends and the Goths were only medieval feudal titles.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 05:04, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Descent from Christopher II of Denmark

Does anyone know if she descend from the Kaas of Sparre Danish noble family or any other descendants of Erik Christoffersen Løvenbalk? Many of her cousins does but I'm not sure about her. Cause if she does then she descends from Christopher II of Denmark which no Danish monarch has been since Eric of Pomerania?--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 18:10, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

The Royal Knees

This sentence is from the article: She suffers from arthritis and has had both her knees replaced as a result. I believe not the knees as such were replaced but her knee joints. --Krawunsel (talk) 18:32, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

British Army Connections

She is colonel in chief of the Princess of Wales Royal Regiment, this should be in the article somewhere??? --82.24.54.99 (talk) 12:30, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Can the Queen vote?

Can the Queen and other members of the Danish Royal Family vote in elections? And do they? I read the Danish constitution years ago but do not remember seeing anything in there that precluded the Royal Family from voting in elections. I *think* there is a tradition or custom where the Queen of England does not vote in elections. Just curious. Also, where can I find more info on this?♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 16:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

According to this webpage from the Danish parliament, there isn't any law that prohibits the queen and the royal family from voting. However, they're not on any electoral lists, which is a prerequisite for voting. And tradition certainly is that they do not vote. -Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) 20:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
How is it known that they are not on an electorial list? Are the lists made public? Though publically they are apolitical, does it demonstrate bad civic participation in that the Royal Family does not vote in elections? ♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 10:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Royalty in virtually all constitutional monarchies does not vote, as they must always be seen to be completely politically neutral. So while she may not be legally forbidden, the convention is that she does not.PrinceOfCanada (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I am pretty sure that the entire royal family is on the electoral lists and that they even receive electoral identity cards prior to elections like everybody else, choosing, however, not to use them. However, I lack a source at the moment --Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 01:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

One could not verify who voted and who did not vote, as all votes are confidential. So it could be that they do vote, but that their choices are not made public. ♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 08:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

They don't vote. It would surely "get out" if the queen either voted on the election day (showing up at the poll) or went to municipal hall and voted by letter (She has to appear in person).--Nwinther (talk) 17:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

No early voting? Or any other accomidation? ♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 04:38, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I just needed to point out that the Kingdom of England ceased to exist 301 years ago. Elizabeth II is not Queen of England; she is Queen of the United Kingdom. Surtsicna (talk) 17:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Whatever. Let's split hairs, shall we? 76.77.225.169 (talk) 20:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

no they can not most of the danish constetusion is about what the royal family cant do like vote and that they must follow the faith of the protestant church ect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.32.156.199 (talk) 17:15, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Danish Royal Family Template

What's going on with that massive template for the Danish Royal Family? It contains so much information that would be better off in the article correctly; besides, it looks out of place and amateurish. I'd correct it, but templates are beyond my ability right now. 109.149.73.110 (talk) 11:20, 29 May 2012 (UTC)f

Birth Country

Considering that Denmark was occupied by Germany during the time of the queens birth, her birth location should be changed to Amalienborg Palace, Germany. The birth place of historical figures are usually presented with the diplomatic status of the time of birth. For example, Yuri Gagarin are stated as being born in Soviet Union instead of Russia. It would be a good idea to add a parenthesis that states that the birth place is in present day Denmark, for example (now Denmark).--Mart — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.235.201.200 (talk) 13:21, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Denmark was not annexed by Germany. As you yourself said, the kingdom was "merely" occupied. Surtsicna (talk) 15:27, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Class of Order of Pleiades

This article states that she was awarded the 2nd class order, whereas the article on the order itself lists her under the individuals who have received the 1st class order. Can this be verified? Roude Leiw2001 (talk) 07:55, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Correct titles.

Crown Prince Frederick was not king when his daughter Margrethe was born. His father was very much alive.

Margrethe was never Crown Princess, she was heir presumptive before she became Queen — Preceding unsigned comment added by TFSorensen (talk • contribs) 15:24, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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The pictures and the fact that the article covers her political role well, make this a B-class article. The infobox is good too. However, the article should be expanded some more, more subheaders should be used to organize the info, and more links would be good, especially in the political role section. Green caterpillar 20:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

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All Danish should be born as equals, not royals

DNA is the monarchs merit? like Islamists who serve Muhammad's line? vote for president! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:410D:7C00:F4BD:9626:6087:99A0 (talk) 06:21, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

this article needs more references

There are several paragraphs scattered throughout the article that do not have a single citation. —howcheng {chat} 17:58, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

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It is grammatically singular

Believe it or not, in modern English, "couple" is singular, hence, "The couple has four children." Also singular are these: committee, congress, duo, family, group, pair, quartet, set, squad, squadron, team, trio, and so forth. "The family includes two sons and eight grandchildren."47.215.180.7 (talk) 22:53, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

American and British English differ in their treatment of collective nouns – see American and British English grammatical differences. This article uses British English spelling and grammar. Favonian (talk) 07:32, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2018

Hello, I would like to change Margethe II's House name to the official and longer name version of Glücksburg to "House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg. That is it but, thank you for your patience. BeauBertel (talk) 23:46, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: G'day, Glücksburg is linked where appropriate, and additionally on Wikipedia it is preffered to use the most commonly used name. The full name is written within the Glücksburg article — IVORK Discuss 00:04, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Queen of Denmark

OK, she may not be the Queen of Denmark, but the queen of Denmark. However, the woman has the title & position of Queen of Denmark (with a capital q). Anybody object? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:47, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

No objections, for here or the other monarch bios. GoodDay (talk) 15:06, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 10 September 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 15:42, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Margrethe II of Denmark → Margrethe II – The title is more concise and easy to understand. Interstellarity (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose - As we should go back to consistency among these articles, with the Name # of country format. GoodDay (talk) 13:33, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - As per comment above. Nothing is gained by reducing recognizability. "Magarethe II" is not sufficiently different from "Margaret II". Most visitors are not Danish-speaking nor likely to know the subtle differences in Danish spellings. Walrasiad (talk) 17:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per WP:SOVEREIGN: If the regnal name and number are unambiguous, use them. There is only one Margrethe II, so it is unambiguous. Rreagan007 (talk) 06:54, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose I agree with GoodDay. Dimadick (talk) 07:25, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Her common name (without queen) would be just Margrethe. Christian75 (talk) 14:28, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per GoodDay. Deb (talk) 15:13, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per Wikipedia:CONCISE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.110.217.186 (talk) 04:10, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - the current title is clear, intelligible, and actually helpful for readers who may well not instantly associate monarch and country, so nom's "easy to understand" rationale is false. The proposed change would clearly be for the worse in practice. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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It is not established that the Queen is the head of the Church of Denmark

The formal relationship between the Queen and the Church of Denmark is not fixed, neither in the constitution nor in other legislation. Consequently, it's not settled whether she is to be considered the head or supreme authority of the Church of Denmark in the way that Queen Elizabeth is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. Both opinions are found, but this article from 2019 says that professors (of law and religion) agree that there's no formal basis to consider her the supreme authority or head of the Church of Denmark. For that reason, I've removed a part of the lead that states that she is "the supreme authority of the Church of Denmark". —Pinnerup (talk) 01:02, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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Only current queen regnant

What about Ntfombi, the Queen Mother of Eswatini? The Wikipedia article for the Ndlovukati (Queen Mother) says The title is roughly equivalent to a queen mother, though she is jointly head of state, ruling alongside the Ngwenyama (King). Eswatini is formally a diarchy, though de facto the king holds all political power, while the queen mother is seen as holding ceremonial power, especially during important ceremonies. 21:18, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

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Legal ground of taking away names and titles

Can anyone add to this article one (legal) source underpinning the right of the Queen to take away names and titles of her offspring? Nowhere I could find such a source. I have serious doubt if the Queen had the right to unilaterally take away from her adult grandchildren name and identity that they had borne since their birth. There certainly is no ground in the Constitution of Denmark.The right to name and identity is protected by international law. It is totally untrue that the same happened in other monarchies, notably the United Kingdom and the Netherlands. In the UK not even princess Diana and prince Andrew were stripped of their princely titles. In the Netherlands not one royal has ever been stripped from a name and title given by birth. What the Royal Court claims about this, is totally untrue. I would very much appreciate a reference to a legal source which justities the Queen’s action. Best regards, Guust (from the Netherlands) 2A02:A212:2881:CA80:DCD8:46A8:D5:5B38 (talk) 21:45, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes i agree with you Nikolai and his siblings still retain their prince title in a legal way H.K.H45 (talk) 12:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Stripped in line?

If anyone sees a source we can use to inform our readers whether or not the recently stripped grandchildren retain their positions in line for the throne, something on that would improve the article. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

They are still in line to the throne of danmark just look on the royal family website were it also states that the children are listed under members of the royal family so they are still royal and still in line nikolia is 7th Felix 8th Henrik 9th Athena 10th H.K.H45 (talk) 12:26, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

World's only Queen regnant

On the article, it states "As of 2023, she is also the world's only queen regnant" but surely this should say "As of September 2022, she is also the world's only queen regnant" unless another queen has died since Elizabeth II that I was not aware of?... Any thoughts? RyanPLB (talk) 14:56, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

"As of" is often used as a formula meaning "today, as I edit this text, it is true that".
So one could say "As of 2023, she has been the world's only queen regnant since the death of Elizabeth II in September 2022"
Perhaps someone can come up with a more elegant statement of the facts. Nø (talk) 17:37, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
"As of" means starting on [date].  Fixed now. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Removal of notable length of reign text from lead

The text stating the notable fact that Queen Margrethe II reign length is only surpassed by one other monarch in the entirety of Denmark's history was removed. I request that it be reinstated, I added a citation that verifies it (as it was also challenged for not having a citation).

Having reigned as Denmark's monarch for over 50 years, she is the longest-reigning monarch in Danish history after Christian IV[1].

Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 22:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

It's confusing, poorly-written, unidiomatic, unnecessary and against wikipedia guidelines. She's not the longest-reigning monarch in Danish history. Christian IV is. The first paragraph should focus on her not someone who died over 350 years ago and who is not mentioned anywhere in the article body. DrKay (talk) 07:15, 25 July 2023 (UTC) Amended 21:49, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
DrKay, please re-read the proposed text in its entirety. Sigh. Thinker78 (talk) 17:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
@Peter Ormond: Thinker78 (talk) 20:27, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

@DrKay and Bridgetfox: Let discuss. What do you make of "longest sitting, reigning monarch"?[2] Regards, --Thinker78 (talk) 22:26, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

"Longest sitting" is not really idiomatic. The sentence should be something like "She has reigned for over 50 years, making her the second longest-reigning monarch in Danish history after Christian IV" or "Her reign of x years makes her the second longest-reigning monarch in Danish history after Christian IV" or simply "She is the second longest-reigning monarch in Danish history after Christian IV." Perhaps one could even leave out the "after Christian IV", but I do think a reader will be curious about who has pipped her to the post. Furius (talk) 00:16, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
@Furius New text was reverted that states that she is actually the longest-reigning monarch of Denmark, surpassing Christian IV. There is a dispute about that also now. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 00:57, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Ah. The claim that a monarch's reign doesn't include the time while they're under a regency seems odd to me; I see that it is stated in various news stories about Margarethe... So, it is probably best to leave the claim out of the article altogether (as in the current revision). Furius (talk) 01:07, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
But the current phrasing is not good, since "having reigned for..." has no connection to being the only queen regnant. Furius (talk) 01:09, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment As far as I know regency time is counted into reigns, so Christian is the longest reigning, but maybe a note can be made about it in this article that she is the longest reigning without a regent. Seems like a noteworthy fact to me.★Trekker (talk) 17:41, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment - Christian IV is the longest reigning Danish monarch. A regency doesn't shorten a reign. Best to wait until (if) Margaret II surpasses the record, then we can describe her as the longest reigning Danish monarch. GoodDay (talk) 03:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
I agree that the length of her reign is worth noting, since it makes her the longest sitting monarch in Danish history, and since sources are refering to this too and treating it as a milestone. But just leaving it as "longest after Christian IV" obscures what's actually noteworthy here, and "longest sitting, reigning" is not idiomatic at all — I had to think for a second what the difference was and what distinction was being drawn. So why not just say it outright: "She is the second-longest reigning Danish monarch, after Christian IV, and the longest to reign without a regency." Or something to that effect. — Kawnhr (talk) 05:12, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "The world's longest-reigning monarchs". BBC. 13 October 2016. Retrieved 24 July 2023.
  2. ^ https://www.kongehuset.dk/en/news/hm-the-queen-becomes-the-longest-sitting-reigning-monarch-in-the-history-of-denmark

Requested move 15 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per WP:NCROY as duely explained by Arbitrarily0. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans (talk) 20:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Margrethe II of Denmark → Margrethe II – She's the only queen named Margrethe II, no need to disambiguate. Векочел (talk) 23:45, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

  • Support per WP:NCROY. No disambiguation is needed in this title. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Support per WP:CONCISE, WP:COMMONNAME, WP:PRECISE, WP:CONSISTENT, etc. Would also support moves for the other Danish monarchs who are primary topics. estar8806 (talk) ★ 12:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Support as per above --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose - please, allow less familiar readers to see what country she reigns over, via her page title. GoodDay (talk) 07:41, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
    • The other two Scandinavian monarchs currently reigning, Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden and Harald V of Norway, have had their pages moved. It is not so difficult to read the first sentence in the lead. Векочел (talk) 16:47, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
      • I opposed those page title changes & wish them to be restored to their "...of country" status. The inconsistencies created by these movements, is disheartening. GoodDay (talk) 17:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose Concision is a problem to be resolved, never a solution. Dimadick (talk) 12:54, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:PRECISE, WP:CONSISTENT and WP:COMMONNAME, as well as the pre-mangled WP:NCROY. Margarethe II is not really a household name, disambiguation—in this case—is helpful: stripping one-by-one the realms out of these monarch titles is not a solution to anything, and just makes things worse through an endless tug-of-war. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 20:55, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Support per other supportive editors, opposition is mostly a rehash of old arguments that follow a certain style that's been debated and abandoned. Killuminator (talk) 11:49, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Support per above. No need for disambiguator. Short descriptions and leads should be enough for readers. DankJae 21:31, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
Removing the “of Denmark” from the title can only add to the confusion. Due to the rather long 13,800,000,000-year tenure of this universe, there has probably been a significant Margrethe or two in known history. It is also probable that someone, proud of the previous Margrethe, named their child Margrethe II. Due to the approximately Googolplex-years left in the universe, it is similarly probable that there will be new, significant, Margrethes in the future, and parents who will name their children after this Margrethe. If Margrethe II is removed from her connotation from the Kingdom of Denmark (her being the Queen), it will just make it easier for someone, perhaps looking for Margrethe II, the founder of WhatsItsFace, or Margrethe II, the first woman to travel to Venus, will be sent to a disambiguation page, or even worse, a Google page where the person clicks on the wrong link five times because there is no connotation in the title. ErosPhanes (talk) 01:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
This is all WP:CRYSTAL. Even if there is another woman by the name of "Margrethe II", one doesn't exist who passes WP:GNG. estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:37, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Lewcm Talk to me! 21:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Oppose per GoodDay. History6042 (talk) 00:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Support. According to WP:NCROY, only use a territorial designation (e.g. country) when disambiguation is needed. But disambiguation isn't needed. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 05:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Edit notice request

please make a new edit notice. People are reading the abdication headline and not the subtext that it's on 14 January. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:59, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Should we change the infobox portrait after her abidcation?

I've had this thoughts since her abidcation was announced. Is it okay with you people if we change the infobox portrait once she abidcates? BlakeIsHereStudios (talk) 18:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Why? Furius (talk) 19:39, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
No. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
No. That's typically done for people who have died. Keivan.fTalk 23:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Proposal for lede

Margrethe II (Danish: [mɑˈkʁeˀtə]; Margrethe Alexandrine Þórhildur Ingrid, born 16 April 1940) is a member of the Danish royal family who reigned as Queen of Denmark from 14 January 1972 until her abdication in 2024. Having reigned for over 51 years, she was the world's only queen regnant, the longest-reigning current European monarch, and the longest-serving incumbent female head of state at the time of her abdication.

Born into the House of Glücksburg, a cadet branchof the House of Oldenburg, Margrethe is the eldest child of King Frederick IX and Queen Ingrid. She became heir presumptive to her father in 1953, when a constitutional amendment allowed women to inherit the throne. In 1967, she married Henri de Laborde de Monpezat, with whom she had two sons: Frederik and Joachim. Margrethe succeeded her father upon his death on 14 January 1972.

As sovereign, Margrethe had received 42 official state visits and she had undertaken 55 foreign state visits herself. Margrethe has worked as a scenographer, a costume designer, and an illustrator of works by J. R. R. Tolkien. She and the royal family have made several other foreign visits. Support for the monarchy in Denmark has been and remains consistently high at around 82%, as does Margrethe's personal popularity.

On 14 January 2024, the 52nd anniversary of her accession, Margrethe abdicated and was succeeded by her elder son, Frederik X. AKTC3 (talk) 21:28, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Her father's name was Frederick IX, not Frederik IX

May we please stop having her father's name shown as "Frederik IX". His page has him named "Frederick IX". Let's not retro-change. GoodDay (talk) 03:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

To add on, the reason it is "Frederick IX" and not "Frederik IX" is because we tend to use the English version of their name after they have died. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 05:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
@GoodDay, Therealscorp1an You might be interested to voice your opinions in the RM currently open at Talk:Frederick IX of Denmark#Move request. Keivan.fTalk 23:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Why is his name being continually 'pipelinked' as "Frederik IX"? GoodDay (talk) 23:34, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Because that was the legal spelling of his name. Same reason we don't call you GudDaj. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:08, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, if somebody wants to open up an RM at the appropriate place & get every royal name retro-changed -like Charles to Carlos (for Spain), Constantine to Konstantinos (for Greece), Francis to Francois (for France) etc-, then by all means open one. GoodDay (talk) 01:54, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
We didn't have any legal spellings in Europe until the turn of the 19th-20th centuries, so such a project is not needed. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

May as well change it to "Frederik IX", since that's basically where her father's RM is heading. GoodDay (talk) 04:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

She's the monarch until she signs her abdication, which isn't at midnight.

May we please wait until the Queen actually abdicates (which is at 2-pm Danish standard time, 14 January 2024 or Wikipedia 13:00 UTC, 14 January 2024) before making the required updates? GoodDay (talk) 19:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Translation translates more than the quoted English text

The current article contains:

”Queen Margrethe II relinquished all the monarch's former titles except the title to Denmark, hence her style "By the Grace of God, Queen of Denmark" (Danish: Margrethe den Anden, af Guds Nåde Danmarks Dronning).”

The Danish text is not a translation of “By the grace of God, Queen of Denmark” but of “Margrethe II, by the grace of God, Queen of Denmark”.

Was the intention to include “Margrethe II” in the translation? If yes, please indicate this explicitly.Redav (talk) 12:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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